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Scott Norwood
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Not sure on the footage count that those reels hold. If I remember correctly, they are 22" in diameter and hold about 25 minutes' worth of mag-striped 70mm film (don't quote me on that). Brad could probably give you a more accurate answer.

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Stephen Furley
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The one time I handled a 70mm print, well over twenty years ago, it came pretty much like the one in your picture. What size are those cases and spools? They look like they might me slightly smaller than the ones I've seen, but it's difficult to judge from the picture. I saw some similar ones at Bradford a few years ago.

I've seen similar cases used for transporting 3-D and I think Cinerama, 35mm prints on large reels, but normal 35mm always comes on cores. I've seen prints come in from other countries in all sorts of odd ways, from Iran, loose rolls on cores, no cans or even bags, in a rough, dusty cardboard box and from Russia in 1000 foot rolls, several of which were in a circular can which looked like it would have been more at home holdiing a cake, for example.

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Bill Gabel
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Before the platters at the GCC Avco Center Theatre in Westwood, CA. We would double-up reels when we ran 70MM in the upstairs theatres. (Victoria 8's / auto change-overs in all three houses at the time.) The main house had two Victoria 8's equipped to handle 12,000 reels for 35mm. For 70MM it ran the reels doubled up like the upstairs theatres.

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Leo Enticknap
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quote: Scott Norwood
I know that 35mm film is often shipped on cores in the UK--is/was 70mm shipped on cores as well?
I've only ever had one arrive that way, directly from a lab in the US for a festival screening. Indeed, 70mm cores are pretty rare: on the one occasion I ordered any, they arrived in the form of two 35mm ones superglued together. The shipping cases in Scott's picture look exactly like the ones 70mm prints are moved around in here. Agreed on the sharp edge hazard: the same goes for the edges of the spools themselves.

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James Faber
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Anyone ever had to build up a print from India? I was once forced to make up a 12 reel film, ALL ON CORES. Luckily, I was able to sucker some other guy in to tearing it down.

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Chase Hanson
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quote: Scott Norwood
Is there _really_ any need to put the entire movie in one container? Has anyone ever received only half of a print because one can got lost?

Yes...

Did you know that you were asking a rhetorical question?

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Scott Norwood
If I remember correctly, they are 22" in diameter and hold about 25 minutes' worth of mag-striped 70mm
Yeppers - that's what they held - being 4k reels. Since 5/70mm runs through the machine a bit faster in footage that does 35mm - 105ft/min against the 35's 90ft/min - at the same frame rate.

Can you imagine how many 70mm cans you would have if you were running the original Camera 65 roadshow release of "BEN-HUR", in 1960? Or, the original 1964 "Cleopatra" 20th-Fox 70mm release, in it's original running time of 248 minutes?

Thx for your email reply, Scott. Still great picts. I'll have to send you some of my 'pictorial history' as well.

-Monte

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Gordon McLeod
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"Anyone ever had to build up a print from India? I was once forced to make up a 12 reel film, ALL ON CORES. Luckily, I was able to sucker some other guy in to tearing it down. "

what only 12 reels you must have gotten the abridged version

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Allison Parsons
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quote: Gordon McLeod was the last to post
Anyone ever had to build up a print from India?
ohhh yes. Love those 3 1/2 hour movies they have. I dont remember if it was on cores or not, but I do remember that it came in a hemp lined box.

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Mark J. Marshall
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If 35mm is too heavy, maybe you should try 16mm.

[Razz] [Big Grin] [Smile]

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Mark Hajducki
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quote: Allison Parsons
Love those 3 1/2 hour movies they have. I dont remember if it was on cores or not, but I do remember that it came in a hemp lined box.
The Indian print that I showed was on cores (like the UK domestic films) It did arrive in two boxes and was 11 reels long (although they were spiced together from 21 10 minute reels).

quote: Mark J. Marshall
If 35mm is too heavy, maybe you should try 16mm.
You could save more space by using 8 or 9.5mm instead.

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Randy Stankey
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quote: Scott Norwood

Is there _really_ any need to put the entire movie in one container? Has anyone ever received only half of a print because one can got lost?

I have.

I got the SECOND half of a movie but the first half got sent to Detroit. The distributor promised to have the first half sent by airline and told me that the plane landed in Erie at 6:30 PM. (8:00 showtime) I got to the airport at 6:00 PM and waited until the plane landed at 6:45. At 7:00 I still had no print. The crotchety, old clerk at the desk told me that the plane gets into the gate at the time they tell you on the computer screen but it takes another 1/2 hour to UNLOAD the cargo!

I screamed, hollered and pitched a fit until they gave my my film and I high-tailed it back to campus LITERALLY at 110 M.P.H.! (As fast as my little, blue Dodge Neon could go!) I got back to campus at 7:30 and had the film on the platter, ready to go at 7:59:59.9.

I have, on other occasions, gotten only one can but have received the film in time to get the show built and screened on time.

Yes! It happens!

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Mark J. Marshall
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....but only to Randy. [Wink] [Big Grin]

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Joseph Pandolfi
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Love those prints from Eros Entertainment or otherwise know as Bollywood. We get a print a month in the neighborhood of 8 to 11 reels all cores. I got stuck breaking one down last year. Wound em on hour reels and them took them to the rewind bench to move them onto cores using split reels. Eros is good for not putting reel cue marks and overdriving their sound. Some prints come with a ton of quick movie ads that are spliced either at the beginning of the feature or during the intermission or both as in one case.

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Stephen Furley
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I wrote, about the cases that prints are transported in here in the UK:

quote: Stephen Furley
I'll take a picture of one of these next time I do a projection shift.
Took some pictures last night, processed the film at about 3 a.m. just scanned a few frames.

this is one of the blue plastic cases from Moving Print Distribution:

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Note the plastic buckle on the strap, and the carrying handle.

Here is the same case open:

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This case contains six cans of 'Finding Nemo'. As you can see, five cans is the minimum that would be held in place by the lid. The most I've had is eight cans. The thick wired (rodded?) edges can be seen better in this view, as can the two carrying handles on opposite sides.

This is the very similar red case from Delux Film Services:

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This case contains seven cans. The main difference, apart from the colour, is the pocket for the label. The MPD case has a thin plastic pocket on top, which can be seen in the first picture. It can be difficult to get the label in and out. Also, if you have a pile of cases, you can only see the label on the top one. The DFS case has a stronger holder, made from the same material as the case itself, on the side, as seen here:

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The label is reversed for return:

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Pile them up as high as you like, and you can still read the label.

Most prints are now arriving in these cases, but the odd one still turns up in he old-style cardboard box:

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These were usually sed only once, so you got a new one each time, except when you got a print on a crossover, in which case it could be quite tatty, sometimes with more tape than box.

Most of the cans we see here are utter crap. Here is a typical example:

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This is the bottom of a can. I didn't break it, that's the state it came in, and this is not unusual. I just inserted the core to hold the broken part up so it could be seen better. Some cans are of better quality; the ones the British Film Institute uses are amongst the better ones. The old-style metal cans are seldom used now. They tend to get dented, which makes the lid very difficult to remove.

This is the other problem with these cans:

(Image removed, because the system won't let me insert that many)

This isn't the can that this film came in; I put it in a blue one so it would show up better in the picture. The can is the same size as the one it came in. This reel is slightly less than two thousand feet, it's on a three inch core. Spot the problem. Is it any wonder that the cans get in the state they do, with the film being thrown about inside them? Of course, the problem has got worse since polyester came in. Suggestions: put a spigot in the can to hold the core in place. If you can't do that, either start using much larger cores, or put more film on each roll. I'm pretty sure you could get three thousand feet in a can.

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