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Author Topic: EPISODE 3 IN THE AIR ! Dylan Marchetti Film Handler Posts: 27 From: New York, NY Registered: Oct 2004 posted 05-23-2005 05:48 PM                        We're properly calibrated, but our audience usually complains when films are run at 7.0, so we generally keep it at 5.0. For Ep III, we found the film was far quieter than many mixes, so we run the trailers at 5.0 then turn it up to 7.0. A pain, but it ensures that audiences don't get blasted out by the previews. That Fox logo DOES sound terrible- of our six techings, four projectionists commented they went to the booth to make sure it was playing digital. As discussed elsewhere, the movie's OK, just mixed quietly. Before someone says it, we did attempt to get a program in our automation to automatically adjust the volume, but were not allowed.  |  IP: Logged Kris Dirix Film Handler Posts: 54 From: Antwerp / Belguim Registered: Feb 2005 posted 05-24-2005 03:21 AM                     Seems to me that everybody is little frustrated Remember one thing: "The sun will shine again after Star Wars" And not everybody will have so much bad luck than Per with his replacement. Small question: since I never saw a SW3 copy, is it printed at Deluxe or Technicol. ?  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 05-24-2005 03:47 AM                        Alan - about your "mini rant": do a search about the subject in these forums. You will find that it has already been discussed in all its many aspects (ad nauseam). There are indeed a lot of aspects to it... Still, these playback settings do "sound" very low. Apparently I did understand you correctly the first time, and you ended up at -8dB, not -2dB. That makes me wonder a little if the SPL levels were set with the SDDS units at reference level or at 7 (or near it, if I remember correctly, the DFP-D3000 had no "7" step, only 6.9 and 7.1. Whatever gain settings you find on your amps is in itself not conclusive. It is a very common practive here to turn the amp gains all the way up to prevent tampering with the levels, then set the level in the processor. Or maybe your amps were not set up in this way since they were thought "safe" behind the screen and somebody did turn the gain all the way up later. When your 3000 is playing very busy scenes, do the red LEDs on top of the level display come on often? BTW, I remember we discussed some popping noise problems at reel changes recently. What has become of that?  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-24-2005 05:32 AM                        quote: Kris Dirix Small question: since I never saw a SW3 copy, is it printed at Deluxe or Technicol. ? 20th Century Fox usually has their prints made by Deluxe Labs or one of their affiliates.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-24-2005 12:50 PM                        I agree the Fox logo sounds different, but isn't it the same recording used across all of the SW films? An old recording, IOW? The Fox logo also doesn't rotate into position like the current logo does either. I assume this is to make it match the other films too.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Jorgenson Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1002 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Feb 2005 posted 05-25-2005 01:29 AM                        Yes, Mike, you're correct.  |  IP: Logged Robert John Jeromson Master Film Handler Posts: 264 From: Auckland, New Zealand Registered: Jul 2004 posted 05-25-2005 02:24 PM                     The Fox logo is deliberately crappy in terms of its mix isn't it, so that the first orchestral crash into the Star Wars titles is quite dramatic and heralds from Star Wars (1977) original release in Dolby-A ushering in a new era in film sound. From memory that particular Fox logo was recorded in the 1950's. [ 05-25-2005, 03:56 PM: Message edited by: Robert John Jeromson ]  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-26-2005 09:38 AM                     NOw here's something interesting.... Enhanced 35mm showings! Now what the heck is "Enhanced 35mm"? I'd bet that it being shown on an 80 foot wide screen that is underlit and with a fuzzy image....... Anyone seen it at one of these locations? Mark  |  IP: Logged Dylan Marchetti Film Handler Posts: 27 From: New York, NY Registered: Oct 2004 posted 05-26-2005 02:25 PM                        My experience with "enhanced 35mm" has usually meant a 35mm print poorly projected onto an IMAX screen with blank screen on top, bottom, and occasionally on the sides. Sound is great, though...  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 05-26-2005 02:43 PM                        Sometimes the distributors supply prints deliberately printed a few printer lights lighter in an attempt to compensate for the sub-standard screen luminance. These "Enhanced 35mm Prints" used to be called "drive-in prints". But you can only put so much energy though a piece of 35mm print film that is 0.825 x 0.690 inches or even smaller 0.825 x 0.446 inches in size. Current Digital Cinema projectors likewise have a limit similar to a 35mm film print. For huge screens, 70mm print technology that has been around for 50 years is the correct solution: Splendor of 70mm Part 1 Splendor of 70mm Part 2  |  IP: Logged Per Hauberg Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 883 From: Malling, Denmark Registered: Jul 2000 posted 05-26-2005 06:33 PM                        quote: Robert John Jeromson From memory that particular Fox logo was recorded in the 1950's. Let's say an even 1953, as it is the long CinemaScope-version, -but Fox logo with better sound has been around. I do not remember the occasion, but danish cinema owners were gathered for demonstration af some new hardware together with the presentaion of one of the "Die Hard"-films. Wether it was our first meeting with SR or SRD - or it was the Bose bass tubes, I don't remember, but I do remember most of us clapping our hands after hearing the Fox overture - because it sounded so dam'd good ! p  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 05-27-2005 01:50 AM                        Come on, guys. That 'enhanced 35mm' thing is simply marketing, designed to get the folks who are pissed because they couldn't get a ticket to a digital show, to attend a film show which they think will be better because it's "enhanced."  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 05-27-2005 02:11 AM                     The Fox Fanfare is rather low on these Star Wars films. I remember having that reaction with Episode I and II. Not only is the Fanfare level too low (in my opinion) but my ears had barely recovered from the loud trailers (FANTASTIC 4, MR/MRS SMITH, THE ISLAND, STEALTH, BATMAN BEGINS) so it seemed even quieter than it actually was -- not only by comparison to those loud trailers but because the aural reflex was still kicking in to protect me from all those loud noises. Having said that, I liked the mix of the movie itself.  |  IP: Logged Alan Haigh Film Handler Posts: 45 From: Watford, UK Registered: Jul 2003 posted 05-27-2005 05:55 AM                    Per, what kind of DTS player do you have? It may need upgrading...  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Jorgenson Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1002 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Feb 2005 posted 05-27-2005 05:36 PM                        re: enhanced prints Back in 2001 a few distributors were really playing this aspect up... In fact, I remember even getting a few "enhanced" trailers (usually from BV... I remember both Pearl Harbor & Atlantis specifically).  |  IP: Logged

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