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Author Topic: CP 650 Too loud to handle at 4.3?! Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 06-01-2005 02:18 AM                     ..true, you have to adjust the sound level for your customers-which should be the first priority of any theatre business. True, running SW:Ep-III at 8.0 sounds GREAT, but...the majority of the folks likes to keep their brains from being rattled around in the noggins, and not having bleeding, ruptured eardrums from too much volume of sound when they exit the theatre. .. and they'll remember this the next time they think of going to that certain theatre. It's amazing how much those notices in the cans are ignored.. ..but a CP-650 being too loud a 4.3, is definitely a "B" chain problem. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-01-2005 02:41 AM                     Nope Monte...not ONE SINGLE COMPLAINT. We have received some "turn it up more" requests though. Remember, no two sound systems will sound the same. Something at 4 on one system will make someone's ears bleed, but may be able to be played at 7 on another without being uncomfortable to listen to. Most of this is due to calibration, as a shitty EQ job will be painful to listen to at even a moderate volume. I have also found since I got the D2 analyzer that I end up playing movies at about 8 on the fader. As such I've been setting the reference point of 7 = 88db to compensate.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 06-01-2005 04:29 AM                     Whoops, sorry Brad. I didn't mean your operations at your theatre. For you mentioned that 8.0 level was being used, which makes the audience LOVING it being that loud. Just that some theatres planning on running 8.0 better plan on getting a bunch of complaints from the patrons-especially the theatres that are used in showing "quiet" movies. Shoot, when I ran EP-I back in '99 in a 400 seat house using CP-500's, I had that thing cranked wide open ...10.0 ... and they wanted MORE...and my QSC's were wide open as well!!! .. as they wanted from you with EP-III. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Michael Schaffer "Where is the Boardwalk Hotel?" Posts: 4143 From: Boston, MA Registered: Apr 2002 posted 06-01-2005 05:06 AM                        quote: Brad Miller I have also found since I got the D2 analyzer that I end up playing movies at about 8 on the fader. As such I've been setting the reference point of 7 = 88db to compensate. That is very interesting. Apparently the R2 was offset by about 3dB in the other direction, a lot of THX certified installations I found about 3dB too loud when measuring the SPL with other analyzers (such as the IE-30A). Although in our most recent installation, a friend of mine came in with his D2 and tuned the rooms, looking at the levels later with my IE-33, I found the levels to be very close. Of course, with Brad being located in Texas, things are different anyway...TX law allows the technician to shoot any member of the audience who complains about loudness More seriously, I also found that with the mix on "Epsidoe III", reference level (whatever that means in real life), worked very nicely. It really comes down to how the movie is mixed and how the playback systems handle it. With our new all-QSC playback chain (DCM-1, DCA series amps, and SC-423 3-way speakers), I found the soundtrack on that movie engulfing and pleasant at the same time.  |  IP: Logged Jason Greek Film Handler Posts: 21 From: Bridgewater, Nova Scotia, Canada Registered: May 2005 posted 06-01-2005 07:18 AM                     quote: Brad Miller Ignore those notices in the cans... Now that the theatre isn't filling up every night, we've managed to talk the managers into turning it down to 5-5.5. The notice that came with that lovely star wars "box" was just stuck on it, so our managers saw it right away and made us obey it faithfully as if our lives depended on it. I hated runing it that loud.you could hear it down a hallway, around a corner, down another hallway, through a soundproof door, and then 2 theatres down the hall! I don't know why the people in the next theatre didn't complain, they must have heard it... [edit June 1st, 9:33pm, atlantic standard time] AHA! I found them! How stupid of me!! all along I had suspicion the problem was with the amps... you guys confirmed it for me! and I finally found the manuals for the amps! so the gains are cleverly hidden by a nondiscreet panel! and they are all cranked up! I'm soooooooo DENSE! So now all I need to know is exactly how do you folks prefer to go about setting these to a comfortable level? would I be right in guessing running a B-Chain and doing it by personal preference? that sounds kind of rough around the edges to me... [ 06-01-2005, 07:36 PM: Message edited by: Jason Greek ]  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-01-2005 09:08 PM                     Jason, not trying to be rude, but clearly you are not trained in what you are jacking around with. At this point you need to call your technician in and have him fix the system properly. Until he can get there, you should leave things alone and continue to run at 4 if needed. You stand a greater chance of damaging your sound system if you start tinkering with the level of knowledge that you have at this point. For the sake of your company's equipment (and the future of your job), I am closing this thread.  |  IP: Logged

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