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Author Topic: How the West Was Won in Cinerama Paul Linfesty Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1383 From: Bakersfield, CA, USA Registered: Nov 1999 posted 11-09-2005 11:09 AM                     quote: Mark J. Marshall Must have been scratched between the time you saw it and the time I saw it That kind of confirms my suspicions about this theatre. I saw LOA in 2002 (?) there. Brand new 70mm print. The Saturday I saw it (the day after it opened), vertical scratches ran thtroughout the film in both the inner left and inner right of the frame. I saw Spiderman on the first Sunday. Same thing.  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 11-09-2005 11:16 AM                     Hmm, the dome has separate projection systems for 35/70 and Cinerama....and they are having print damage?...platters?  |  IP: Logged David Kilderry Master Film Handler Posts: 355 From: Melbourne Australia Registered: Sep 1999 posted 11-11-2005 06:11 PM                        There is also a complete Cinerama set-up in Sydney, Australia. It is not commercially operated at this point, but hopefully it will one day. Prints exist here too.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 11-12-2005 02:33 PM                        Do they need special printers for Cinerama release prints, or can they be printed the same way ordinary 4/35 prints are struck? With today's better color emulsions and color timing accuracy, can they get away with striking only one panel if it get's damaged or would they have to strike three together?  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-13-2005 10:48 AM                     Contact printers could print any frame size step printers cannot  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-13-2005 02:14 PM                     Cinerama prints have to be step printed otherwise any printer bounce would show up as movement between panels and could be pretty annoying. In the Cinerama cameras the movement was also part of the magazine. Sorry for that sucker that was the film loader! To make the new 3-panel prints they absconded with a Cinerama camera magazine and used its movement to build a step printer. Works ok. There was a link someplace on the Crest Labs site as to how that was actually done... so in a sense they built a new 6 perf step printer to make these prints. They should be able to process a new print just for that panel that was scratched. In this day and age if they can't conrtol printing and processing to that fine a degree then I will welcome digital with open arms. The only drawback I can think of is having to have film stock all made from the same batch lot... but tests can also be done on any lot and the filter pack changed slightly to match color balance to the original print. Mark  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 11-13-2005 03:03 PM                     quote: Mark Gulbrandsen In this day and age if they can't conrtol printing and processing to that fine a degree then I will welcome digital with open arms. Uh oh, I've read Mark's various posts on sloppy lab work. Looks like he is about to jump on the digital bandwagon!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-13-2005 05:00 PM                     Well, I am against sloppy lab work and bad digital systems and presentations that die or drop out half way though. I don't think we'll ever see the quality of lab work that was once happenning in years gone by because of the high speed world we live in today. But it should certainly be possible to pull it off if need be once in a while. There are still people out there that care..... Mark  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 11-13-2005 07:03 PM                        Mark: some years ago I was on a "field trip" to CFI (I know it was sold.) I can assure you that there are serious craftsmen who work(ed) there. In addition, Technicolor London seems to do an excellent job compared to US. Louis  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 11-13-2005 07:29 PM                     quote: Louis Bornwasser seems to do an excellent job compared to US. It seems that the Brits have always done a better job in about anything they can touch. Them folks do have a sense of caring. ..in the US, it goes back to the "supply and demand" foundation where quality takes the second seat to mass production. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 11-13-2005 08:10 PM                     Louis, I agree they can do good work when required of them but its mainly now all done by the smallish labs that thrive on that sort of work. I have friends that work in that field and there is no real steady work any longer like there was back as late as the mid 70's. So finding really knowledgable people is also hard because they scatter about the differnet labs doing work where there is work to be done and a living to be made The only steady work one might find is running a processing line or a panel printer... or a chemists position, those jobs are the more common jobs today in the typical lab but sometimes don't hold the best people that industry has to offer. Up to the time frame that I moved to SLC I delt with the output of all the major labs and many small ones too on a fairly regular basis. This occured all on Dailies jobs for many large motion pictures. Of all the large labs Technicolor West Coast had the most consistant dailies product while East Coast Technicolor literally sucked bug time. In fact a friend that worked at BPI in Chicago for quite a few years confirmed for me when I was on a major film in DC having image steadiness problems that Technicolor East Coast in fact got all the throw out eqipment from the West Coast lab and that they also rarely if ever did any required routine maintainance as per the BPI manuals to their BPI printers, mainly only if they went down! This of course showed up in dailies one day... the projectors were the first to be blamed but as you know Century's can indeed put out dead steady images.... and this set was not to be blamed as I aptly demonstrated for the producers of the film by running an original camera steadiness test negative. The problem turned out to be Technicolor east Coasts worn out printers. This was confirmed with the help of Color Lab which is a super top notch lab in Maryland. We had both Technicolor and Color Lab print a 200'length from the same double exposure camera steadiness test and in the Technicolor print the unsteadines came right through, the film was in scope as well so this made the lateral unsteadiness even worse... while the Color Lab print was darn near as steady as running the original camera negative, and I do mean close! After that day Technicolor printed stuff on a differnet printer with better results but still not as good as what I saw come out of their West Coast lab. Over the years I had small problems with other labs but none like the problem with the East Coast Technicolor stuff I experineced on that film. Monte, Technicolor in England used differnet dyes than we did over here for I.B. printing. These dyes are somewhat explained in the book Colour Cinematography. I think it had to do with the British Government requiring at least some of the raw materials that went in to I.B. Technicolor material printed over there to be of British origin... Not a bad rule in my opinion and the results sure were good. I also think you will find the Brits turn out higher quality work today than we do over here. The thing about them is that there is still a hint of decency, care, and honor in what they do overall. It certainly shows in the posts they make on this site. That has pretty much disappeared over here were all folks seem to do is go in to work to collect their pay checks. Mark  |  IP: Logged

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