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Author Topic: 8-perf camera equipment Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-29-2005 08:14 AM                     Phil, Am familiar with the Rotovision camera and its very nice.... there are a few of them on the west coast here. There was one for sale on E-Bay a few years ago for 28K. I recently sold my Delrama attachment to Wide Screen Museum since it was not a usable attachment. There is a bad area in the silvering of the top prism that can just be seen in his photos. You can see that lens on Marty's web site here Ther have been at least two other Delrama sold on E-Bay, one within the last year. Mark  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 09-29-2005 08:27 AM                        Isco may have some 1.5X anamorphic lens designs "on the shelf" from their IscoVision program: http://www.iscoprecisionoptics.com/isco_new_e/index_e.html Contact Christian Lindstedt For a time, they sold 1.5X "IscoVision" lenses for the slide market. They built a custom 1.5X projection lens for Kodak when I presented the demo trying to revive the idea of a 35mm 4-perf "1.5X Scope" format for 1.85:1 / 16:9 aspect ratio.  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 09-29-2005 09:25 AM                     Christian is no longer with ISCO. New owners from Switzerland own the company. He is now with All Advanced Optics which is a factory distributor for Nissan - Sankor.  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 09-29-2005 09:34 AM                        Thanks.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-29-2005 10:43 AM                     quote: Richard Fowler He is now with All Advanced Optics which is a factory distributor for Nissan - Sankor. I hope they really are utilizing his talents! Sankor= Mark  |  IP: Logged Richard Fowler Film God Posts: 2392 From: Ft. Lauderdale, FL, USA Registered: Jun 2001 posted 09-29-2005 10:49 AM                     He is working on new designs and quality control issues.  |  IP: Logged Christian Appelt Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 505 From: Frankfurt, Germany Registered: Dec 2001 posted 09-29-2005 01:02 PM                     quote: Phillip Grace Hello Christian, Try this company. www.arandafilm.com.au There is detailed information on the site about their 8-perf system. While I'm here. Does anybody know where to find a Delrama camera anamorphic (1.5x) as used for the Technirama format? Bruce at Arandafilm responded to my post at the cinematography.com forum, beside their own beautiful cameras they have a single VV movement, but constructing a whole new camera around it is just a bit too complicated for me...  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 09-29-2005 07:43 PM                       quote: Sankor= [thumbsdown] Yeah, and their coffee stinks, too!  |  IP: Logged Phillip Grace Expert Film Handler Posts: 164 From: ACMI. Melbourne. Australia. Registered: Mar 2004 posted 10-02-2005 03:51 AM                     Christian, You say that it will take a very long time to shoot your film. Is this because it is animation, or time-lapse? If that is the case you might be able to use a still camera for the work. Something like a pin registered copy camera should be easier to find at an reasonable price. I have seen a couple of "Oxberry" modified Nikons which might do it. They had provision for 100' loads too I think. No doubt there are other types. Mark and John, Thanks for the pointers. I'll probably have to stalk E-Bay for a while and hope someone knows to call it a "Delrama". Although the idea of a new Isco attachment is very attractive. It would likely be a whole lot more portable. I always thought the idea of 1.85 anamorphic was a real winner. More light. More image area. Less film waste. And a whole lot easier to retro-fit than 3-perf pull-down. I hope we get to see it introduced at least in exhibition. If you cant afford a new 1.5x cylindrical anamorphic, you could always dig out a Panatar or a Varamorph! The 35mm 8-perf horizontal format, with 1.5x anamorphic as used in Technirama, seems to be a very good method for large-format production in this country. The set-up costs for 65/70mm processing and printing would be prohibitive given the scale of the local industry, but the double-frame negs would be as Technirama was, compatable with other release formats - 35mm 2x anamorphic reduction for general release at 2.39:1, 70mm flat at 2.20:1 and maybe even double-frame horizontal contact prints at 2.20:1 for mega screens. Digital sound on the double-frame prints. Maybe SDDS tracks located inside the perfs above and below the image. (kite-flying. there's not much to do today.) Cheers!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-02-2005 05:41 AM                     Canon also made a limited number of the original F-1's with a single registration pin in them. I've seen,handled, and serviced several of them back when I was at Canon. They had a specially adapted motor drive which could shoot at up to 6 fps. The main problem today is that I don't think these cameras can even be serviced if need be. the vertical titanium shutters had a tendency to crack and or pull apart after years of service. It might be concevable for an expert camera repairman to install at least a dual reg pin in a later version of Nikon or Canon F series body. Another interesting camera was the time lapse camera built to shoot Chronos. It's film motion is advanced by a toothed chain and it also has the normal reg pins. I believe they got it to do up to 12 fps in 15/70 format. This sort of thing could also be adapted to work with 8/35 for alot less $$ than a standard HS 8/35 movement. Mark  |  IP: Logged Christian Appelt Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 505 From: Frankfurt, Germany Registered: Dec 2001 posted 10-02-2005 12:40 PM                     Phillip, there will be both time lapse and 24fps live action shots. The TL part of the film will indeed take long to shoot. I wanted to start with it until I could locate a VV camera that would run at sound speed. For time lapse, I think an Automax 8-perf camera will a better solution, I also found a vintage Newman-Sinclair camera that does 8-perf double-frame with two cycles of its 4-perf movement. In Grant Lobban's Technirama Story article it is mentioned that Technicolor made tests with a modified Delrama mirror projection device on 8-perf, The Old Delft Company made their prism unit after that. You can get these easily on eBay, an Ultra Panatar projection adapter could also work with longer focal lengths. But if you need something portable - a Delrama unit is probably the least portable lens excluding maybe Todd-AO's "bug eye" 128-degree lens and Ultra Panatar lenses for Ultra Panavision. The Delrama unit is made of two big solid glass prisms and a cast iron housing, weighing about the same as a lightweight 35mm camera!  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-02-2005 01:19 PM                     Christian, I think you will find that most if not all of the US made Delrama lenses were actually produced by Panavision for Technicolor. This was done after the initial Oldeft experiments were completed and Technicolor needed a large quantity of lenses. I believe that you can only go down to A 40MM with that Delrama. Actually the mirror units work alot better and will exhibit alot less chromatic abberation than a prism lens will. Its hard to believe that no one ever came up with a mirrored anamorphic for standard 35mm 2X projection!! The Automax camera should work fine for TL. It will have a wide frame line though and you may have to widen the aperature out so you can intercut it with film shot with the standard 8 perf camera. Mark  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-02-2005 01:24 PM                     Mark said "Its hard to believe that no one ever came up with a mirrored anamorphic for standard 35mm 2X projection" Delerama by Delft was available as a mirror projection box attachment for standard theatres the trouble was it offset the beam of light and didn't hit the standard old style port  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-02-2005 05:20 PM                     Gord, The other problem is that its designed to work only on curved screens. It pre-distorts the image aside from the offset. That could all be overcome in a new device though and what I meant is modern day mirrored device. Mark  |  IP: Logged

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