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Author Topic: KING KONG credits cut off at mid point Allison Parsons Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 630 From: East Peoria, IL Registered: Oct 2004 posted 01-02-2006 11:30 PM                        When I was a staff assistant manager, the regular manager at my theater and I had to go over to a very busy first-run 15 screen theater and cover for the manager on a Saturday night (we worked at a dollar house which did no business so covering a first run house was quite a shock). A Perfect Storm was playing and after the 7pm set was over for that movie, a gentleman came out and told me that the credits just stopped before they were over with -though I think he said the music was still playing so I just assumed some booth person put the cue tapes at the wrong spot. I said "I'm sorry Sir, I don't know what went wrong, I'm just covering for the evening" The guy then BLOWS up at me and after pitching a 'small' fit about "It's illegal to not show the credits!! blah blah blah" I said once again "I'm sorry sir, I have no clue what happened but I will give you a pass to come see something different another time". He was happy, and I was happy to get him out of my hair. I have been in a movie a few times in my life, where I have been watching the credits when the ushers come in a turn on the bright work lights to clean the theater.  |  IP: Logged Jon Miller Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 973 From: San Diego, CA, USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 01-02-2006 11:49 PM                     I agree with the opinion that credits are sacrosanct. (The driver of the roach coach visiting the shoot should have his day in the sun too, shouldn't he? ) Even if, of all things, are in a foreign language. In my film-festival travels I've run too many Asian and Latin-American films to keep track of and not once have I cut the credits short. While I even go so far as to keep the houselights at minimum for the duration of the credits, if I am asked to bring up the lights for Q&As during the credits (grr..) I'll keep the credits rolling on the screen. I don't care if I can't read Japanese credits, they're still credits no matter the language.  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 01-03-2006 12:07 AM                        Frank, you are right about my anger directed more to the manager than the actual incident. I have already made up my mind to purchase the DVD when it is released in April and I can read the credits in the comfort of my home theatre like I have been doing with the majority of major films I chose not to watch in theatres. The way I was treated on New Years Eve at the Kapolei actually reassured me that I was not missing very much when I had cut down watching films in theatres by about ninety percent. There was a time when I used to watch all major films in theatres with the estimated amount totaling about 23 movies in a month. I now average about only two or three. I also used to patronize the concession stand and would spend at least $7.00 at each show. The total amount I had spent for food during the last 6 months came to exactly ZERO dollars. Most of the movies I watch on DVD are rented but I do buy a lot of DVDs I know in advance I would enjoy and do not mind adding to my collection especially after reading favorable reviews posted by many of you here at Film Tech. Although I do not have HDTV yet, I am more than satisfied with my 36 inch Sony and a sound system I am very happy with that has the capability of 6.1 DTS ES as well as 5.1 Dolby Digital EX playback. The way I was treated by the manager at Pacific's Kapolei made me now want to go to a very nice Regal Theatre four miles from my house everytime I have an urge to see a film in a theatre because they have nice auditoriums with very good picture and sound and a staff that always say thank you when leaving By the way, If there ever was a film I had wanted to watch all of the credits, it was Peter Jackson's KING KONG after I bought the production diary on a two disc special edition DVD set a day before the film was released. I watched the first disc yesterday and I was amazed at the way the film was shot. This is a wonderful set of discs to get for anyone interested in the production of a very complex motion. picture. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Jorgenson Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1002 From: Chicago, IL, USA Registered: Feb 2005 posted 01-03-2006 12:03 PM                        Jarryd, you've never seen a credit for honeywagon driver before "Emily Rose"? It's not a very obscure credit by any means. ==-=-== My theatre had a schedule once where there was literally no downtime between two shows - it was actually negative downtime, I think the earlier show was scheduled to end 2 minutes after the next one was scheduled to start. (Obviously this was a corporate level decision, not a theatre level one.) If the earlier patrons left before the credits were over, I'd reset the auditorium for the next show (even though the film was still running). BUT if any patrons from the earlier show stayed through the credits, I always let it run completely. If they have been issued a ticket for the film, it's for the entire film.  |  IP: Logged Gerard S. Cohen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 975 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: Sep 2001 posted 01-03-2006 11:01 PM                     Once at the closing credits of the last show of the night, I checked the auditorium from the porthole, and finding it empty, cut power to the lamp so as to begin the 20 minute cooling of the Xenon bulb prior to opening the breakers, which would shut down the lamp cooling fans. (I always cooled the bulb rather than closing with the heat trapped within, to prolong the life of the lamp.) I didn't know that a woman was standing in the entrance doorway beneath the booth with pad and pencil, taking notes of the credits. She went across the street and down the block to a sister theatre, to find our manager and complain. Naturally he admonished me, and I apologized and explained the cause of my error, but I realized one can never be too careful.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-04-2006 02:43 AM                        I agree that the credits must be allowed to run but I also think they are getting out of hand. Narnia's end-credits were over 14 minutes! I think all movies should have two columns of credits on the screen. Or (as someone else suggested) put them at the beginning of the movie -- because NO ONE sees them at the end! Or instead of credits, just have one card saying: "Credits for this film can be found at www.credits.com/moviename".  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 01-04-2006 10:10 AM                    Our prints of King Kong stop by themselves about 99% of the way through the credits sometimes. There's a curl in the film that's causing the optical failsafes to not see the film when it gets near the end. But again, this isn't "in the middle" of the credits, but around the point where the MPAA and digital sound logos are. This is the first movie that's done that in a VERY long time, and strangely, both prints do it on every projector. As far as our policy goes, we'll clean around patrons watching the credits, but we do it quietly, and we never turn on the bright work lights until everyone is gone or the credits are over, which ever comes first.  |  IP: Logged Richard Hamilton Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1341 From: Evansville, Indiana Registered: Jan 2000 posted 01-04-2006 07:30 PM                     quote: Mark J. Marshall Our prints of King Kong stop by themselves about 99% of the way through the credits sometimes. I bet your sound drops to analogue and warbles when this happens!!!  |  IP: Logged Martin Brooks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 900 From: Forest Hills, NY, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 01-04-2006 10:54 PM                        quote: Claude S. Ayakawa By the way, If there ever was a film I had wanted to watch all of the credits, it was Peter Jackson's KING KONG You must have a great bladder. I usually do stay for the credits, but on this one, I ran for the bathroom as soon as they started. Although NYC is a place where people tend to be a bit more interested in the credits (depending upon both the film and the theater), there have been many instances when I've been the only one in the theater when the credits have finished rolling and have gotten strange looks from the cleanup crew.  |  IP: Logged Mark J. Marshall Film God Posts: 3188 From: New Castle, DE, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 01-04-2006 11:13 PM                    quote: I bet your sound drops to analogue and warbles when this happens!!! You wouldn't believe me if I told you...  |  IP: Logged Claude S. Ayakawa Film God Posts: 2738 From: Waipahu, Hawaii, USA Registered: Aug 2002 posted 01-04-2006 11:15 PM                        Martin, At age 66, my bladder is not what it used to be but it held up rather well during the KING KONG showing. There has been several times when I used to frequent movie theatres more than I do now when I would have an urge to go to 'the little boy's room' regardless of the running time of the film. -Claude  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-05-2006 01:54 AM                        Off topic, but I read somewhere that your body starts "signaling that you need to visit the "loo" when you're really only at 1/5 of your capacity. So it's just a matter of learing to ignore the urge until you really do need to go!  |  IP: Logged Gordon Burke Film Handler Posts: 15 From: San Jose, CA Registered: Sep 2005 posted 01-05-2006 02:49 PM                        Isn't there an issue with distributors and studios if the film isn't shown through completely? There are contractual obligations to put people and firms in the credits. Isn't cutting off the credits kind-of a breech of contract between the exhibitor and the distributor? Could complaints about not seeing the credits through be brought to the distributors/studios attentions because it is ultimately part of their branding enterprise? In my more recent viewing experiences at Century Shoreline (Mountain View, CA) Century 21/22 and CineArts houses, I see the cleanup staff literally waiting at the exit doors for me to leave before they start cleaning the auditorium. They seem to appreciate when the last patrons finally leave, but they don't have an opportunity to give the evil-eye. Maybe I'm lucky here, but I intentionally avoid nearly every other cinema because these Centurys seem to have the courtesy thing going right.  |  IP: Logged

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