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John Pytlak
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quote: Steve Scott
Often, it's the soundtrack wavering into the image area. I usually just splice out the defective footage, as I would a lab splice. Unless it becomes excessive in how often it occurs throughout the reel.

An advantage of cyan dye analog soundtracks, as wandering of the application of the viscous developer required to develop silver in the analog soundtrack was an occasional QC issue for labs.

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Donna Siegwart
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Unluckly for myself the tint continues through out the reel for about 3-5 mintues off and on. The place we are ordering the replacement reel from told me they would call me back, I hate waiting. [Frown]

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Richard P. May
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And in doing this, how much of the film are you eliminating? This could affect dialog, specific shots, etc.

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Bill Gabel
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I had no problems with the prints of "Devil Wears Prada" here in NYC.

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Donna Siegwart
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*sigh* still waiting to hear back from my booker and such. At this rate Im starting to think they wont get that reel to me on time [Frown] Anyone here from AMC? Cuz I was told to call my booker (from Fox) to order a new reel, and my booker seems to be AWAY. And this is killing me.

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Steve Scott
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quote: Richard P. May
And in doing this, how much of the film are you eliminating? This could affect dialog, specific shots, etc.
There's, of course, a boundary of common sense there. If I have more than ten consecutive damaged frames on any length of film, I'd like to order a replacement. With a new release, it can be difficult to gague the relavance of the scene, let alone the dialouge, so my reaction is usually based on intuition.

I've always wanted to be able to reject reels based simply on the presence of lab splices, like the old Northpark. Even though it seems as if fewer and fewer theatres even know what the hell a lab splice is. Occasionally TES' QC prints would have managled sprocket holes, slight edge damage, or other damage any seasoned film operator could identify. The later situation is one where I'd always order a replacement reel. If the damage is pertinent to how the print will run through the machine, even if my doubt is only slight, I'd demand a clean reel.
But, as a manager, I've also been trained to get the theater ready to run in a timely fashion. This is the folly of lab printing damage. You've got the damage in your hands, you haven't run it through a machine. There's no way your theatre could be blamed for such damage. These are the times I've been trained to fix the small splotches, of soundtrack runoffs (which I've also seen SDDS backup data infiltrate image area), and run the print, judging how much was cut from the scene/dialouge after the first run. If the cut sound is really worth a replacement reel, it would be ordered that day, and if DHL or whoever is on their toes, replaced by the next day's first show at the latest. ETS might even be able to have it holding will-call that same day, if the first show is early enough.

I'd love to be technically perfect & always replace any sort of damage to any reel of any feature. But I'm growing up around the tastes of all the powers that be & such is how I've learned to integrate attentive booth management into the minds of all the bosses I've had. At least I kept their attention about lab splices. [Smile]

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Diane Linton
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I built it today and others are previewing it tonight. Even if ours was defective, I don't think we'd get another one...we never do.

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Donna Siegwart
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My booker said i would receive a replacement reel sometime tomorrow (she didnt even give me a time) so we are preparing for the worst [Frown] ill be in the building early incase I have to rush put the new reel on. But seriously, it took my booker 5 hours to get back to me!!

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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Donna, you may want to contact Bernie Anderson at your sister AMC in New Brunswick NJ. He's the booth manager there and can give you information on ordering reels and general company policy. Bernie posts on this site and will be only too glad to help you cut through the red tape.

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Donna Siegwart
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Well I finally got through to Lucy (our booker), but it took her a few hours to reply to my voicemail and emails to her. Though my manager should have been ordering that reel HOURS before I returned to work, she left that job for me *sigh* I just wish she would give me a small break since I am new to the management team, but anyways, yeah Im just getting used to AMC's way of running things.

Oh btw, thank you guys, I really would like to use these forums more often, I just have been a bit shy to ask questions on here, though film is my life!

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Charles Greenlee
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Technicolor seems to have a good QC system, I've only come across 2 prints that had defects, and 1 of them was minor. We called Technicolor, and informed them, they immediatly sent out a replacment for the defective reel. The one with the more major problem, we got later that day. The one with the minor problem wasn't in need of replacement, but we reported the defect, as per standard inspection duty, and they replaced it anyhow.

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Dominic Espinosa
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R1 on our Devil was discolored intermittently. Turns piss yellow, it's grand!

Anybody else notice R5 get extremely grainy during some of the shots?
Or the visible editing splices in the opening scene?

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Donna Siegwart
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Yeah what ever happened to your reel 1 happened to our reel 3, and we ordered a new reel, they said it would be in sometime today, and guess what.....

IM STILL WAITING!!

So we have been selling the show and telling guests of the defect but apparently no one cares cuz it sold out and still NO complaints! I mean it was a good movie, but wow... LOL

Didnt notice any grain though in any reels.

EDIT: The other OC in my building told me the REEL finally came in shortly after 12:30am tonight. And we can finally run a good run through of devil wears prada. Im so happy [Smile]

[ 07-01-2006, 01:36 AM: Message edited by: Donna Siegwart ]

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