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Author Topic: DTS burn disc question Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 07-07-2006 01:01 AM                        Basically my point, just alot better explained. Also, I agree, the people who are shareing the movie that they recorded with a cam, aren't likely to do much more than unse the cam's onboard mic. Maybe, maybe, they might patch in to the soudsystem. But that would require an insider, which should be shot, resurrected and then killed slowly again, by the anthill torture. I do know of another way to get the sound, and I will not mention it because the pirates are probably not smart enough to think of it, and I'd assume they can read this site, and some probably do. However, you guys are more than welcome to mention it. I just don't want to divulge any information on that in case they haven't come up with it yet. [ 07-07-2006, 02:03 AM: Message edited by: Charles Greenlee ]  |  IP: Logged Nathan Fettes Film Handler Posts: 11 From: kalamazoo, MI, USA Registered: Jan 2006 posted 07-07-2006 03:50 AM                     I had two prints of Garfield II and only one DTS disk come. We made a copy so both would have DTS but when we shipped out the first print we included the real disk. Would it be a bad idea to send the burned copy with the second or whould we get in more trouble then just sending it with no disk?  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 07-07-2006 04:18 AM                     Never send back the burnt disc to the depots - destroy it. They sent the print out with no disc and you leave it that way. Don't take any sort of responsibility on yourself when it's not your responsiblility to ensure that the discs are to be in the shipment in the first place. Don't expose yourself to trouble. -Monte  |  IP: Logged Oliver Pasch Film Handler Posts: 53 From: Europe Registered: Jun 2002 posted 07-07-2006 09:41 AM                    quote: Brad Miller Pirates are stupid. Unfortunately wrong! quote: Brad Miller They aren't going to go to the hassle of trying to decode DTS discs Unfortunately wrong too! Believe me, they did in the past, when it was still possible to playback a dts-disc on a PC (in stereo only) or, even worse, they owned dts-cinema-equipment and learnt from forums like this one how to start the discs from a keyboard, without the 35mm-print of course. This used to be the no. 1 source for piracy-media with 5.1-sound! Please remember: there's life outside the US, that might be a little delayed when it comes to the movie business, but it happened every now and then that we had piracy media in our terretories with the picture based on the DVD already released in your country and the dub-sound in 5.1. dts was (again: past tense!) the easiest and most convenient source. dts did their homework with the "enhanced security" to face this situation, but the problem of the format not having returned completely into the German business is still the lack of "watermarking"-capabilities (which is no different from other formats, only that those can be manipulated on the individual print by intentionally damaging the tracks at registered sections of the prints, which is no better by the way).  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-07-2006 01:37 PM                     You missed my point. They aren't going to go through the hassle of decoding the dts discs. I meant that in current times. Seriously there are MUCH EASIER methods for pirates to get picture and sound than futz around with the dts discs. While I'm sure someone out there has done it, I highly doubt it was common. And yes Charles, despite your paranoia from your edited post above, camcorder pirates who plug into the assistive listening device receivers have been discussed before and I'm sure happen all the time. Heck, it's a lot easier for them than trying to come up with a way to decode the dts discs and then having to resynchronize.  |  IP: Logged Charles Greenlee Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 801 From: Savannah, Ga, U.S. Registered: Jun 2006 posted 07-08-2006 04:39 AM                        Ok, just figured that pirates can read the forums, and din't want to be the one to cause a rash of problems. But since the "Grand Poobah" of the forums mentioed it. Yeah, I think that's one possible source.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-08-2006 02:29 PM                        Theory: Assume projector #1 (the Master) and projector #2 are in hard interlock, i.e., frame-for-frame like 3D. Then insert time delay on the output channels of the sound processor of #1 and feed it to the AUX of #2 processor, or if AUX is not set up for full 5.1, then using a small mixer, just feed the amps directly. Now calculate the delay between projectors #1 and #2, dial it into your delay units and there you have it. And to hell with burning disks and doing the studio's work for them. On the other hand, burning a disk is a lot easier (and cheaper) than the above, as Jack explained.  |  IP: Logged Ryan Navaroli Film Handler Posts: 63 From: Athens, OH, USA Registered: Nov 2005 posted 07-08-2006 07:48 PM                        As far as being able to copy a disc from another theatre in case of an emergency... that isn't possible for me. The closest theatre that plays art films like us is 2 hours away who I have absolutely no relationship with. I think if DTS or film tech (as Brad mentioned) were to be able to handle the tracker and have a method of ensuring that the user was a legitimate theatre I.E. technicolor ID, then there would be security issues. If someone who could sign up this would use it for piracy issues then they are no doubt doing a lot worse than pirating the 5.1 audio. If a decent size group of individuals were committed to seeding atleast 3 or 5 films each then that would create atleast a decent database of possible films, and hopefully the number of committed users would only grow. There could always be a method of request that could go out through the community. Hoping that we are all good poeople trying to help each other out someone would answer the request and seed the DTS disc for the party wanting the disc. Anybody ever transfer an ISO to another theatre that needed the disc? It seems just as legitimate as burning from another disc (assuming the digital files are destroyed as it was mentioned about being important to destroy the media.) If anyone ever needed a disc that I had I would be more than happy to go through this process. Would this be an acceptable request to post on film-tech or does that violate policy?  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-08-2006 08:53 PM                     quote: Brad Miller Pirates are stupid. They aren't going to go to the hassle of trying to decode DTS discs. Pirates are lazy as well. That is whey they are crooks. If they weren't lazy, they would get a job, and not be pirates. Being lazy they are not going to screw with DTS discs. Keeping the audio in sync would require edits every few minutes, due to the many variables (the speed of the projector, the speed of the camcorder, the speed of the editing system, the speed of the DTS playback system the pirate is using). This is not what a lazy pirate is going to do. Pirates just want to get the money and run. Quality is not important to them. Don't forget where most pirated copies come from - screaner discs. Screaner discs would have 5.1 on them already.  |  IP: Logged Markus Lemm Expert Film Handler Posts: 113 From: Ottawa, Ontario, Canada Registered: Nov 2005 posted 07-09-2006 02:03 PM                        I am willing to commit my time to setting up a system for the legitimate transfer of DTS discs. I realize there are alot of issues with this, especially cross border since in Canada some distrubuters (Alliance Atlantis) do not like to buy DTS discs since it saves them money. It is truely sad when the industry is being sabotaged from the inside just for a few dollars. I know I have called around to multiple theatres in the city to get a hold of DTS discs, usually the AMC have them since they don't use DTS on any of there screens and they have 24 screens so they have almost every film. Maybe some kind of VPN with a password protect for each film. Also we would need to have a way to pass the information to each person directly so only a 'verifed' individual could get access. We would need to insure that the files only get into the hands of theatres and are destroyed when finished. Any ideas???  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-09-2006 03:42 PM                     Give it up Markus. It will never happen without dts understanding the true need for this in the real world as well as the studios hung up on piracy issues as badly as they are. Fact of the matter is that people who bought dts equipment are essentially screwed for opening day/weekend/entire playdate if the depots don't get the discs in the print cans, as well as in such a manner that they arrive without damage. If you see problems such as this, just buy Dolby next time. This thread is quite literally going nowhere. Thread closed.  |  IP: Logged

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