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Author Topic: Breaking Down First Run Movie Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-14-2006 08:41 AM                     quote: Frank Angel Actually I don't think that the master contract does in fact say that attached trailer must be played. You might want to check your contracts before putting ideas into people's heads, as anything physically attached is considered part of the movie and must be played. Just because you don't feel a particular scene is important to the movie doesn't give you the right to cut it out. This is no different.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-14-2006 09:12 AM                        I've never seen a master contract, but I must ask if anyone actually ran the attached "Hard Rain" trailer throughout the entire run of "Titanic" (seeing that "Hard Rain" came and went long before "Titanic" finished playing in first-run engagements). This would just be an example of when such an provision would be truly unreasonable. Legal or not, lots of theatres don't show attached trailers, for various reasons.  |  IP: Logged Martin McCaffery Film God Posts: 2481 From: Montgomery, AL Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-14-2006 09:28 AM                        quote: Scott Norwood Legal or not, lots of theatres don't show attached trailers, for various reasons. We're a calendar art house. Although we rarely get attached trailers, our policy is to only show trailers for movies we have booked (and never more than four trailers), so anything attached gets cut. Usually it is reattached, unless we think we may book the trailered film in the future.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-14-2006 11:14 AM                     It was my understanding that the attached trailer may be removed once the film it is advertising has it's national release. Of course I am not a booker. We need a real booker to be answering these sort of questions.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-14-2006 12:16 PM                        Our booker has told me that there is usually no contract provision that says you must run the attached trailer. But there can be special cases -- like the recent "Cars," that print was supposed to be run without cutting the attached "Meet the Robinsons/Ratatouille" trailer off. Often wondered how many places actually followed that directive.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 07-14-2006 12:29 PM                        OK, well... once again, those of you who do first-run might look over the printed stuff that comes in the can. Some might even get faxes before the show releases. Though not always, the studios DO send out flyers that flat-out say that they consider attached trailers to be "part of the print", with all the conditions that apply to the feature itself... they expect it to be played, and blah, blah, blah... Otherwise, why bother to put it there in the first place? The "directive" from Disney that demanded that the "Meet the Robinsons/Ratatouille" trailer, and the attached "One Man Band" short be left... and played, was in the form of a flyer in the can, as was their "no rolling stock" rule.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 07-14-2006 02:51 PM                        If you are advertising a film that will not play your house...should you not be paid???? It IS advtertising. Louis  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-14-2006 03:14 PM                     Jack says, "Otherwise, why bother to put it there in the first place?" The answer to that, at least, is quite clear. Because theatres generally cannot be relied upon to play all of the enclosed trailers (there are just too many!), but they usually will play the attached trailer. You can argue about whether this should be the case, whether it is rational, etc., etc., but regardless of why it happens, it does happen, and the studios take advantage of it. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 07-14-2006 05:05 PM                        quote: I've never worked at a place that left the attached trailer attached, FWIW, I would guesstimate that maybe about 1/4 of the used prints we get still have the attached trailer attached. What I hate is when someone cuts off the leader AFTER the green band, removes the trailer, and then splices the leader w/green band onto the start of the feature without putting the trailer back in. That happens maybe about every 6 or 7 prints.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-14-2006 06:27 PM                     That's your AMC and Cinemarks doing that. Personally I hate it when the green bands are cut, but I guess they have their reasoning. (It is their corporate policy.)  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 07-14-2006 08:04 PM                        I don't know anything about their corporate policy, but the green bands seem to be awfully LONG... especially once you've looked at 2 or 3 trailers. You can hear people groaning after awhile, and some can even make short cell-phone calls while the band is on the screen!  |  IP: Logged Robert Burtcher Expert Film Handler Posts: 194 From: Oklahoma City, Oklahoma Registered: Jun 2005 posted 07-15-2006 03:04 AM                     Cutting off the green band is also Dickinson's corporate policy, as far as I am aware. It's certainly location policy. Even though we're now running the "Open Season" policy, I still re-attach the attached trailer when shipping a film out. It came to me that way... Why shouldn't I return it the way I got it?  |  IP: Logged Chris Unwin Film Handler Posts: 20 From: Langley B.C. Canada (Vancouver) Registered: May 2006 posted 07-17-2006 05:04 AM                     Armin, Over here in vancouver B.C. we return the first run prints to the film exchange (Technicolour or Deluxe) as they came to us. The reason for this is that the film exchange usualy puts the trailers on for us so we will let them remove them if they wish to do so before they send it out again. Remember.....even though it is our sworn duty as projectionists to protect that film it is still thier job to inspect it before shipping it out again!!  |  IP: Logged Stephen Furley Film God Posts: 3059 From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England Registered: May 2002 posted 07-17-2006 06:57 AM                     quote: Brad Miller You might want to check your contracts before putting ideas into people's heads, as anything physically attached is considered part of the movie and must be played. Can't be literally *anything*, surely, if you took that literally you'd have to show the leader. I've never seen a print with an attached trailer; whether they don't exist over here, or a previous theatre has removed them I don't know, because I never run new prints. I suppose that it's the equivilent of the trailers before the feature on some DVDs that you can't bypass. Seems like a really stupid idea though, over here theatres run the trailers for the films they're running the next week, or occasionally two weeks ahead, not the ones for whichever films the studios care to attach to the prints, and which the theatre may well not be showing. I haven't seen the contracts you have over there; over here from memory I think the requirement was to show the entire film, including the BBFC (British Board of Film Classification) certificate and credits, but I don't remember any mention of attached material, probably because nothing is normally attached. About the only exception I can think of is the odd 'family' type film which has an attached short; the last one I had was the 'Madagascar Penguins in a Christmas Caper' thing that was attached to the Wallace and grommit film last year. I'm not sure if it is a requirement to show these. You are allowed, and required, to remove certain advertisments (usually alcohol related ones) from the reel when shown with films of certain certificates, but in this case the certificate of exhibition which is returned with the reel has to be amended to this effect.  |  IP: Logged Bernard Tonks Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 619 From: Cranleigh, Surrey, England Registered: Apr 2001 posted 07-17-2006 12:14 PM                     Until I closed my cinema in 2002, nearly every release had an attached trailer, but it was for product far in advance of being scheduled for release, therefore it was unlikely that the said trailer would clash with your own trailer reel. I always used to remove any attached trailer, however I was questioned once by one distributor who was extremely annoyed that I did this to one of their films. To the best of my knowledge the major circuits always screened attached trailers. I never did see in any contract a proviso for screening an attached trailer. However “Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace” (1999) was an exception, as Fox had it written into the contract to screen an attached trailer showreel before the feature! I spent a couple of afternoons recently at a multiplex doing some training on platters for the purpose of doing emergency relief cover. I will find out what the position is now on showing attached trailers. I believe Orange mobile phone ads are now usually screened before the main film. Stephen: I suspect any attached trailers have been removed before your 2nd run screenings if there is a splice after the leader!  |  IP: Logged

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