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Topic: Seeking Opinions on Big Screen Presentation
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Michael Coate
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From: Los Angeles, California
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posted 10-12-2006 11:57 PM
quote: Martin Brooks The fact is that back in the Dolby 70mm days, theatres showing 70mm prints of Star Wars, Superman, Star Trek and many other films did most of the business. Was that incremental to the business if no 70mm prints had been made at all? That's impossible to tell. But the fact that consumers sought out 70mm presentations tells me that it made a difference. If you can find some old posts of mine about this, I quote direct figures from old issues of Variety. (I'll edit this post if I can find them.)
Are any of these what you're referring to?
From a 1982 issue of VARIETY:
quote: Paramount Pictures worked 68 70mm copies of Star Trek II. Impressive statistic is that some 20 percent of Trek's $60,000,000-plus gross has been earned in only four percent of its theaters — those booking the 70mm version.
From a 1982 issue of BOXOFFICE: quote:
Give the American moviegoing audience something special, and they'll turn out in droves. That was the lesson learned by Paramount Pictures, among other distributors, who went to the extra effort of making 70mm prints of "spectacle" films. Barry London, Paramount's vice president and general sales manager, reports that that the 68 prints his firm released in 70mm for "Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan" was the largest such big-format campaign in [Paramount's] history, "and it certainly justified our investment and the effort made by exhibitors."
During the first three weeks of their run, the big prints grossed nearly $8 million, or about $115,000 per print. And that average includes not only showcase theatres in major cities, but also houses in smaller markets such as Ta[c]oma, Little Rock, Modesto and Halifax, Nova Scotia.
This was hardly a fluke. During their long runs, the 49 oversize prints of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" pulled in more than $35 million. And Paramount provided a fresh 70mm print of "Raiders" for the Pacific Cinerama Dome Theatre in Los Angeles after the movie had already made its first, second, third and Academy Award runs in the city. The print ran for five weeks, grossing more than $400,000.
The lesson for both distributors and exhibitors, is obvious. When potential ticket buyers are presented with the opportunity to see something fresh, something unique and excitingly different, they'll buy tickets. They did it for 70mm, and they did it for 3-D.
But it's not a free ride. As London points out, a visual gimmick is not enough. The storyline must be there, and the audience must be made aware of the special treat through effective marketing. The technology also costs money: a 70mm print costs about nine times the price of a standard 35mm print, and exhibitors must have the equipment and rooms to do it justice.
Still, Paramount's two efforts, in big prints and in 3-D, should drive home the lesson that the movie theatre is very much alive and kicking — kicking out enormous profits fo exhibition, distribution and all the segments of the film industry that depend on them. In the fascination with cable, pay-per-view TV, satellites and the other new technologies, that's a lesson worth remembering.
From a web article about "Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom:
quote: The gamble with making a lot of expensive large format prints (which cost roughly eight times that of standard 35mm) paid off as it was reported following the film's first week of release that the 70mm engagements, which were booked into 13 percent of the theatres playing the film, accounted for 30 percent of the total gross. Lucasfilm Ltd. Senior Vice President Sid Ganis told the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner at the time that "everything George [Lucas] and Steven [Spielberg] have been hoping for — an awareness by exhibitors and audiences of the value of a quality presentation — has come of age."
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Martin Brooks
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posted 10-13-2006 07:40 PM
quote: Michael Coate Are any of these what you're referring to?
Yeah, that 1982 Variety article was one of them. That article also states, "Par's less successful summer release, "Grease 2." had only eight prints out its total 1,250 in 70m. and they generated about 3% of the gross..."
I thought I had another article about 70mm film grosses, but I can no longer find it.
(Edit - added the below 9:32 pm EDT): Here's a list of all films shot in 65mm (and a few 55mm) and their original rentals (NOT Gross $$$) and the rentals calculated in 2006 dollars. Unfortunately, the rentals numbers look like it's the total rental, not just the rental fees for the 70mm showings. It does not include 35mm to 70mm blowups.
(And don't quibble with me over formats, missing titles, etc. This is Variety's list from a 5/21/92 issue. I did the inflation calculations. Far and Away and Baraka weren't included.)
Domestic Rentals Domestical Rentals in 2006 $$ 1965 Sound of Music 20CFox 70mmTodd-AO $79,800,000 $516,545,400 1959 Ben Hur MGM Camera65 $36,992,088 $259,199,861 1970 Airport U 70mmTodd-AO $45,220,118 $237,640,764 1964 My Fair Lady WB 70mm SuperPanavision $34,000,000 $223,631,600 1956 Around the World In 80 Days UA 70mmTodd-AO $23,120,000 $173,314,456 1963 Cleopatra 20CFox 70mmTodd-AO $26,000,000 $173,248,400 1959 Sleeping Beauty BV (Super)Technirama70 $21,998,000 $154,137,786 1968 2001: A Space Odyssey * MGM 70mm SuperPanavision $25,521,917 $149,538,016 1970 Patton 20cFox 70mmDimension150 $28,100,000 $147,671,120 1963 It's A Mad, Mad World* UA 70mm UltraPanavision $20,849,786 $138,930,464 1962 Lawrence of Arabia Col 70mm SuperPanavision $20,310,000 $137,127,027 1961 West Side Story UA 70mm SuperPanavision $19,645,570 $133,971,000 1958 South Pacific Magna 70mmTodd-AO $17,500,000 $123,469,500 1966 The Bible 20cFox 70mmDimension150 $15,000,000 $94,398,000 1965 Those Magnificent Men in thier Flying Machines Fox 70mmTodd-AO $14,000,000 $90,622,000 1961 El Cid AA (Super)Technirama70 $12,000,000 $81,832,800 1970 Hello Dolly 20CFox 70mmTodd-AO $15,200,000 $79,879,040 1970 Ryan's Daughter MGM 70mm SuperPanavision $14,661,421 $77,048,700 1960 Spartacus U (Super)Technirama70 $11,100,000 $76,462,350 1956 The King and I Fox Camera65 $8,500,000 $63,718,550 1966 Grand Prix* MGM 70mm SuperPanavision $9,388,684 $59,084,866 1960 Exodus UA 70mm SuperPanavision $8,331,582 $57,392,103 1962 Music Man WB (Super)Technirama70 $8,100,000 $54,688,770 1960 The Alamo UA 70mmTodd-AO $7,918,776 $54,548,488 1955 Oklaholma Goldwyn 70mmTodd-AO $7,100,000 $54,018,220 1962 Mutiny on the Bounty MGM 70mm UltraPanavision $7,409,783 $50,028,632 1965 Greatest Story Ever Told* UA 70mm UltraPanavision $6,962,715 $45,069,654 1961 King of Kings MGM (Super)Technirama70 $6,520,000 $44,462,488 1957 Raintree County MGM 55mmCinemascope $5,962,839 $43,267,552 1968 Chitty Chitty Bang Bang UA 70mm SuperPanavision $7,120,217 $41,718,775 1967 Dr. Dolittle 20CFox 70mmTodd-AO $6,215,000 $37,941,332 1959 Soloman & Sheba UA (Super)Technirama70 $5,186,170 $36,338,975 1982 Tron BV 70mm SuperPanavision $16,704,000 $35,295,552 1963 55 Days at Peking AA (Super)Technirama70 $5,000,000 $33,317,000 1965 Battle of the Bulge* WB 70mm UltraPanavision $5,100,000 $33,012,300 1960 Can-Can 20thCFox 70mmTodd-AO $4,200,000 $28,931,700 1968 Ice Station Zebra* MGM 70mm SuperPanavision $4,640,598 $27,190,192 1965 The Agony & the Ecstacy 20CFox 70mmTodd-AO $4,000,000 $25,892,000 1970 Song of Norway * Cinerama 70mm SuperPanavision $4,450,000 $23,385,640 1969 Star! 20CFox mono? $4,200,000 $23,334,780 1964 Cheyenne Autumn WB 70mm SuperPanavision $3,500,000 $23,020,900 1964 Lord Jim Col 70mm SuperPanavision $3,300,000 $21,705,420 1959 The Big Fisherman BV 70mm UltraPanavision or SuperPan? $3,000,000 $21,020,700 1969 Krakatoa East of Java * Cinerama 70mm SuperPanavision $3,700,000 $20,556,830 1965 The Hallelujah Trail* UA 70mm UltraPanavision $3,000,000 $19,419,000 1962 Barabbas Col (Super)Technirama70 $2,800,000 $18,904,760 1985 The Black Cauldron BV (Super)Technirama70 $9,542,000 $18,082,090 1966 Khartoum* UA 70mm UltraPanavision $2,800,000 $17,620,960 1969 Mackenna's Gold Col 70mmTodd-AO $3,100,000 $17,223,290 1963 The Long Ships Col (Super)Technirama70 $1,900,000 $12,660,460 1964 The Fall of the Roman Empire Par 70mm UltraPanavision $1,900,000 $12,497,060 1959 Porgy & Bess Col 70mmTodd-AO $1,700,000 $11,911,730 1964 Circus World Par (Super)Technirama70 $1,600,000 $10,523,840 1983 Brainstorm MGM/UA 70mm SuperPanavision $4,750,839 $9,725,918 1967 War & Peace Cont-SovScope 70mm SuperPanavision $1,500,000 $9,157,200 1991 At the Max BCL/IMAX 70mm IMAX $3,000,000 $5,685,000 1971 The Last Valley CRC 70mmTodd-AO (Cinerama) $900,000 $4,531,140 1966 Is Paris Burning Par 70mm SuperPanavision $600,000 $3,775,920 1967 Custer of the West Cinerama (Super)Technirama70 $400,000 $2,441,920 1960 Scent of Mystery Todd Process 70mmTodd-AO $300,000 $2,066,550 1964 Zulu Emb (Super)Technirama70 $200,000 $1,315,480 1963 Lafayette Maco (Super)Technirama70 $100,000 $666,340
(Sorry about the cruddy formatting.)
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