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Author Topic: Breaking down the film....while it's playing! Alex Grueneberg Expert Film Handler Posts: 125 From: Chicago, IL Registered: Aug 2004 posted 04-16-2007 05:49 PM                        Projectionists do it better in the dark... I agree 100% with you guys. First, this doesn't seem to actually save you any time or stress at all, and film goes absolutely everywhere. I just can't seem to grasp why any one would belive this is a good idea, but I've still seen worse.. 2 points where the film hops off the bottom roller, and then just after it leaves the sound head. NICE! I'm sure the ads and trailers look great at this place... I'd like to nominate this to the Hey you, you suck thread. PS: any one know what projector/platter combo that is?  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 04-16-2007 06:44 PM                     quote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea In any case, it's just plain retarded. There's no need to do this to change trailers/ads. True. The "SMART" way would to put a long strip of cardboard (we use long strips of foam rubber since it's thicker)where the break would be - let the rewinding platter do its thing, then one can isolate out the needed changeout and reinsert the changed ads without a hitch ... ..Looks like a Kinoton setup of sort... True, Louis, I would NEVER show anybody my little tricks, nor would I ever want them to learn such. (...but, it was still fun knowing that it can be done and I thought about it and carried it out all by myself..lol) -Monte  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-16-2007 07:15 PM                        It's a Kinoton FP30 projector and some sort of older Kinoton platter. Agreed with everyone else that this is just dumb and doesn't save any time versus changing out trailers in a more conventional way, especially since these guys seem to make a regular practice out of doing this. I will admit to having done something similar once--I had an old, beat-up print, one reel of which broke at startup (changeover house, already about halfway through the film, film break was between the soundhead and the takeup reel). I let the film continue to run onto the floor for about 20-30 seconds while I got an extra reel and some tape; then, I broke the film (acetate print), swapped out the takeup reel for an empty one, then taped the film to the new reel. The print was already in truly horrid condition (think "Grindhouse") and I figured that it wasn't worth stopping the show to save one extra splice. I don't think that I would do this again, however, regardless of the condition of the print.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 04-17-2007 01:37 AM                     Oh boy, I so desperately need to make a detailed video showing how to change trailers it isn't even funny. There is no need for ANY of this, even including the foam strips Monte mentions. I used to do 16 changeouts in a 16 plex all in one round. IT ISN'T THAT HARD TO DO IT RIGHT. BTW Monte, cardboard would definitely scratch the film when removed if everything before it was not pushed inward toward the brain. The same goes for sticking cores in the takeup, etc.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 04-17-2007 04:10 AM                        I've done this a few times with a Strong platter and I broke the splice as it was coming up out of the accumulator and fed it to the top deck to a ring that was wrapped with an old trailer pack. No film on the floor. But it really doesn't save a lot of time, so I never really bothered unless I had big reason to get out 10 minutes earlier.  |  IP: Logged Patrick de Groot Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sprang-Capelle, Netherlands Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-17-2007 04:16 AM                     Brad, please go ahead, make that video. Then we also have a video showing the right way to do it.  |  IP: Logged Bastiaan Fleerkate Film Handler Posts: 85 From: Linschoten, Utrecht, The Netherlands Registered: Jun 2006 posted 04-17-2007 05:35 AM                        Make the video Brad, I like to see other ways of changing the ads and trailers. This is the way I do this... (and I think Patrick was talking about this) Just put this thing in the middle of the film and start spinning. This way I change all of the ads and trailers. Even searching for a bad splice is one of the possibilities, although I wouldn't recommend it! Ow, for the record. Make sure that there is some profile on the backside. If it's solid it will be harder to spin...  |  IP: Logged Chad M Calpito Master Film Handler Posts: 435 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Apr 2006 posted 04-17-2007 10:41 AM                        After seeing the video, I almost went nuts. While it takes experience, personally, it should definately be outlawed. I have changed out Trailers and Screenvision at my theatre as well as other theatres ranging from 6 screens to 18 screens in one setting without doing it the way it was shown in the video. So, my main question would be, and should not be hard to answer, Why do an insane stunt like this? To me, it's plain stupid due to obvious reasons, like, Dirt, Dust, Film Scratching, Finger Prints on the Film, etc. It's something that will never, ever be attempted by me or my booth personnel.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 04-17-2007 02:19 PM                     Bastiian, that is nothing more than a crude Goldberg collapsible trailer reel. Better to get the real thing so you don't have to pry the film off of a solid hub and put tiny cinch marks on it.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-17-2007 03:26 PM                        Probably cost him a tad less than the Goldberg job, though...  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 04-17-2007 05:46 PM                     quote: Leo Enticknap cost him a tad less ..esp when you work at some locations where they don't believe in those sort of expenditures.. I know, I tried for one of these trailer reels and got scoffed at. Thus, I just do the trailer pak building on front of the first reel and call it that.  |  IP: Logged Bastiaan Fleerkate Film Handler Posts: 85 From: Linschoten, Utrecht, The Netherlands Registered: Jun 2006 posted 04-17-2007 06:48 PM                        quote: Brad Miller Better to get the real thing so you don't have to pry the film off of a solid hub and put tiny cinch marks on it. I never have any problems removing the film from the hub... This was something made because we didn't know it was already available on the market. quote: Leo Enticknap Probably cost him a tad less than the Goldberg job, though... I know Dutch people are cheap, but trust me, I'm not... I will look into this Goldberg matter... [ 04-19-2007, 04:51 AM: Message edited by: Bastiaan Fleerkate ]  |  IP: Logged John Pytlak Film God Posts: 9987 From: Rochester, NY 14650-1922 Registered: Jan 2000 posted 04-18-2007 08:39 AM                        The original video shows "Film Done Wrong" --- simple as that. Even as shown, that print suffered some damage and dirt.  |  IP: Logged Patrick de Groot Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sprang-Capelle, Netherlands Registered: Apr 2001 posted 04-18-2007 09:39 AM                     Bastiaan, it's indeed what I meant. That's where the decorating with soft clothing (the right word?) comes in to make it perfect @Brad: btw, normally the start leader will be at the inside.  |  IP: Logged Bill Bright Film Handler Posts: 25 From: St. Petersburg, Florida Registered: Oct 2003 posted 04-18-2007 12:20 PM                     It makes you wonder how many other prints this guy destoryed to achieve such a feet. It really is quite sad that he couldn't wait until the movie was over to break down this film. Then again he probably isn't to well at doing that either.  |  IP: Logged

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