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Author Topic: Lettered Id's on heads & tails of Ocean's 13 prints Matthew Jaro Film Handler Posts: 74 From: Gaithersburg, MD, USA Registered: Jul 2003 posted 06-08-2007 03:52 PM                        Thanks for the explanation of the DTS codes. I don't know what I was thinking, but of course 36 min is enough for a reel -- unless they go to thinner stock eventually. I still don't understand how the leader markings work. Are the arrows and reel numbers in the picture area of the print? If not, then how could it help and if so, the frame woud be projected. A picture of this would be great.  |  IP: Logged Larry Blake Film Handler Posts: 8 From: New Orleans, LA, USA Registered: Dec 2002 posted 06-21-2007 04:59 PM                     Hi Everyone: I was the supervising sound editor/re-recording mixer of Ocean's Thirteen, and was responsible for the head- and tail leader that some of you commented on. I'm happy that it had the intended effect, and am indeed embarrassed to admit that on some reels the "splice here" arrrow is, as was noted, NOT in the right place. As the saying goes, the path to hell is paved with good intentions. FYI: the film was indeed on Vision Premiere stock, as noted, and was in Premiere in the U.K., France, and North America. Also FYI: The mix is 5.1, not 7.1 as O11 and O12 were. In the pre-DCI days of digital cinema release, everything was custom-custom anyway, and we had two sets of files (5.1 and 7.1) made. But, in this relatively early stage of DCI-spec distribution, and first-generation servers, I thought it the better part of valor to push the five-screen-speaker envelope this time. But, to paraphrase Ahnold, I'll be back there at some point. And, finallly, a thanks to all of you caring projectionists out there, especially those who do a format change on your cinema processors so that after the trailers play at 5.0, and my feature plays, as intended, at 7! Best regards, Larry Blake <email address removed per site policy>  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-21-2007 05:14 PM                     Hey, I thought we discussed this 8-channel mix for SDDS on Oceans 13...are you saying that the SDDS prints are also 5.1 too few? Steve  |  IP: Logged Larry Blake Film Handler Posts: 8 From: New Orleans, LA, USA Registered: Dec 2002 posted 06-22-2007 12:55 AM                     Hi Steve: Yes, I had a typo; it should have read "...was the better part of valor to *not* push the five-screen-channel envelope . . . ." We spoke before I had done the final mix, but, in the end, my music and effects stems. printmasters (and thus all resulting prints and digital cinema playlists) are 5.1 only. I should also note a personal wish that DCI servers incorporate some sort of downmix function (from five to three screen channels), much like SDDS processors did when you told them that you only had three screen speakers, and they would fold down the five-screen speaker mix (if there) to three. Although I didn't like their ratio, which sent 75% of Lc and Rc to their respective sides, and 25% of them to the center. This would throw off pans or "literal" Lc or Rc placement. Sony's putative reason for doing this was to not pile up the center. Just my 2 cents . . . . Larry Blake  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-23-2007 07:53 AM                     Hi Larry Did you work on Ocean's 11 as well? That was a fabulous mix also. Good job on '13'. Welcome to Film-Tech, btw. John  |  IP: Logged Daryl C. W. O'Shea Film God Posts: 3977 From: Midland Ontario Canada (where Panavision & IMAX lenses come from) Registered: Jun 2002 posted 06-27-2007 05:40 PM                        OK, I've now seen a print of Oceans 13. The lettering/text (which is nearly identical to past attempts at this) does nothing to allow you to identify that a specific leader is for a specific reel number. Further, I didn't have a single reel that had the text on both the head and tail leaders. On some reels the head had it, on others the tail had it, never both. I suppose that it could help somebody that got their reels with the leaders mixed up when they go to re-attach the leaders (they won't have to rely on them being in the cans in the right order, somehow marked, or winding to the regular markings on the leaders) but without both the head and tail leaders being marked (or at least all of the heads or all of the tails) I don't see the point.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-27-2007 07:02 PM                     There really isn't a point as far as I can tell. It's a nice gesture, but not truly useful. Since almost everything is done with digital intermediates these days, I still see no reason why a black and white set of the first 15 frames on the reel cannot be reproduced between the "4" and "3" of the countdown. (I say black and white because there are some dumbshits out there who will try to "put back" the missing frames on a used print for a result that would be even worse than if they weren't there at all. It would also wreak havoc on the digital systems. Using black and white ID frames would prevent that.)  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 06-28-2007 04:22 AM                     I took a look at these last night in their cans as I didn't get to build the show. A nice offering... I remember when Bridget Jones' Diary came out they had 1st and last frames on the leaders just after the '3' I think. Unfortunately, it was the first and last frames for (eg.) 2a, 2b instead of just 2 as a whole piece, but it proved though it can be done. I've never seen this since though and no-one's offered another piece of assistance since then until now.  |  IP: Logged Tim Reed Better Projection Pays Posts: 5246 From: Northampton, PA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 06-28-2007 07:25 PM                       So, can someone post a picture of this footage, please?  |  IP: Logged John Hawkinson Film God Posts: 2273 From: Cambridge, MA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 09-15-2007 08:44 PM                     Sorry for the delay. Us non-theatricals are behind the times. Sorry for the whacko crop. Not sure what I was thinking. --jhawk  |  IP: Logged

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