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Joel N. Weber II
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Indeed, one issue is that it's very difficult to prevent an active jammer from leaking outside one's property. Different phones will fail at different signal strengths, and the signal strength tends to fall off as the signal goes through a greater distance of air. So if you calibrated your signal to block all cell phones within your building, you'd likely end up blocking some cell phones outside your building.

You might be able to control where your jamming goes by shielding your building well, but if you do that, you might have a perfectly good passive jammer anyway.

I don't think the FCC's prohibiting jamming is likely something that was inspired by the cell phone industry; I suspect the rules go back to a time long before cell phones were common.

I believe there was a case within the last year or so when MassPort, the organization that owns some of the major airports in Massachusetts, wanted to be able to shut down other parties' 802.11 networks so that they could charge high rates for their 802.11 networks, and the FCC said that MassPort didn't get to control that.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Frank Angel
Besides, I think a doctor who has patients on the verge of death shouldn't be relying on very ify cellphone technology in the first place. In fact, he shoudn't even be peddling his ass out around town if things are so critical at the hospital.
While it's probably not exactly as you describe (the "on call" person is more likely the "emergency contact" in case the shit hits the fan or a rotating position for whoever is the extra worker in case they have a higher load than normal), I agree with the intent of what you're saying.

They give up the freedom of doing whatever the hell they want when they choose to take a job that has them being on call.

If that's too much, they should either find a job somewhere else or wait it out until they get enough seniority that they aren't required to be on call.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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That might work for the US (where a whole hell of a lot of Canadian doctors move to for the money) but up here I'd think most people would prefer to give up the ability to jam each other's phones (of which all doctors I know almost always have their phone's ringer turned off) rather than have them change to a better paying career (such as the manager of the local McDonald's) where they're not on call.

In many parts you could have 40 years more seniority than the other doctors and still need to be reachable. At this point, if you don't want them to be able to have a life so that they can always be near a land line, they're just going to choose to retire.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea
In many parts you could have 40 years more seniority than the other doctors and still need to be reachable. At this point, if you don't want them to be able to have a life so that they can always be near a land line, they're just going to choose to retire.
Of course, at some point they'd have to accept that a guy sometimes can't be reached.

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Scott Jentsch
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The FCC gets involved whenever there is a device that emits signals on certain frequencies above a certain power (the interested observer may want to discover through independent research what quantifies "certain"). They're the same agency that gets bent out of shape if you attempt to start your own radio station by building a transmitter and doing your own "Pump Up the Volume" thing).

Any business that actively jams a cell phone signal without posting a notice about it could be held liable should that situation cause an incident where important and/or emergency communications were disrupted, especially through the use of an illegal jamming device.

Personally, I would avoid businesses that stated that cell phone communications were being purposely blocked. I use my cell phone so that I can be reached for important calls (such as our babysitter needing to reach us in case of emergency), and any business that would go out of their way to prevent me from receiving such a call would not deserve my business.

If a theater has a problem with teeny-boppers using their cell phones during a movie, then they should take responsibility for the enjoyment of the other patrons and get rid of the offenders.

Any theater willing to spend any kind of money and/or effort to install a jammer should be spending their money and effort monitoring their auditoriums instead. Word gets around quickly if you squash unruly and rude behavior swiftly and fairly. The teenagers will know that they can't get away with texting their friends in the next row, and the rest of us will appreciate your attentiveness and most likely return to your theater because of it.

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Mike Blakesley
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Scott - your post is well thought-out, however the audience needs to be educated to leave the damn cellphones home. These days, texting is much more bothersome than talking. It's impossible to have somebody pacing the aisles 100% of the time looking for blinking lights. I've found kids with their shirts pulled over their heads, texting.

Be that as it may, it's unnecessary to have a cell phone in a theatre for the babysitter to call you. I have been alive 50 years and I've never once heard of a kid dying because the parents were in a movie theatre and couldn't be reached.

Our theatre for the past 76 years has had a phone in the office. If there's a problem, a kid or a babysitter can call us and we will find the parent. We have a doctor here in town who loves movies. He never brings his cellphone with him. If the hospital needs him, they call our office and we go get him. He hasn't lost a patient yet because of the one minute it takes us to get him to the phone.

Of the thousands of phone calls I've fielded in my 28 years in the business, I can count on one hand the calls that were true emergencies, and even then I can't really remember ever having one that truly couldn't have waited until the movie was over. More often than not, it's the kids fighting over the TV remote, or something equally stupid.

I realize a bigger city would have more people and thus more potential problems, but people did without cellphones for the first hundred years of the movie business and they're NOT NECESSARY NOW.

Maybe I would feel differently about this if I were a parent. But I do remember when I was a kid, my parents went out every now and then. They always told us where they'd be, and we were strictly instructed not to call them unless somebody was bleeding to death or something equally dire. I have four younger siblings, and I can't remember our babysitters ever having to call our parents about anything.

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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The retailer's link that I posted on the first page of this thread also sells cell phone detectors. They are legal in the USA, and if installed by the theatre entrance would alert the usher/ticket taker that someone is attempting to bring a cell phone into the theatre. Of course, the detector would not work if the cell phone is off, but it would be better than nothing.

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David Stambaugh
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FWIW since Regal switched to FirstLook for the preshow stuff here, with its multiple pleas to the audience to silence cellphones, I haven't noticed any actual cell phone use during shows. Once in a while I see people checking for text messages. No phones ringing though and no actual conversations. I suspect the education campaign or whatever you want to call it is having a positive effect.

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Randy Stankey
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I've been playing the Kyocera "Cell Phone Karma" spot in our threater before the show and have had ZERO cell phones ring in the last couple of months.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qS2nZySpdhg

Not to say that I condone using "illegal" radio transmitters to jam cell phones but, what do you think about setting up a jammer to emit pules of RF every 30 seconds or so? The phone might ring but the person wouldn't be able to keep a call on-line long enough to have a conversation but would know that somebody is trying to reach him. If it was an important call, he could go outside.

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Louis Bornwasser
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Remember, passive is entirely legal and yields the same result.

If you want active, maybe the "hearing impaired" guys could add an option to their existing boxes; flea powered for coverage in one house (or two) only. I know it's illegal and I don't care. Louis

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Martin McCaffery
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quote: Mike Blakesley
If there's a problem, a kid or a babysitter can call us and we will find the parent.
Ditto here. In the days before cell phones, the Drs would tell me they were on call and tell me where they were sitting. Seems to me multiplexes could hand out those vibrating pagers that chain resturants use if someone needs to be paged. Then they can go to the lobby and call.

Newest irritant for me, those 'berry Star Trek like ear cell phones. Apparantly, when you turn them off, the VERY bright LED blinks to let you know there's a call. A woman had one in her ear during the movie Friday. She didn't have a clue it was doing that, and graciously removed it when I asked her, but I'm sure there will be a-holes who will insist that everyone in the theatre must be aware of there presence at all times.

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Mark Hajducki
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It should be possible to have directional blockers (possibly using more, lower powered transmitters pointing downwards)

A connection to the automation/ fire alarm system would be essential so as to allow use when needed.

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Now where can we get a similar device for the human voice?

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Mark J. Marshall
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I've seen cell phone jammers that only broadcast about 30 meters, and won't even penetrate glass. Those devices are perfect for theaters. Place them on the ceiling in the middle of the theater, and it would be good to go. I'm not sure how the FCC manages to claim jurisdiction over the broadcast airwaves in a privately owned room. This is the same puzzling phenomenon as the one where people say that it's illegal for you to receive a signal that comes into your house. If a satellite provider is beaming their signal into my home, and I manage to find a way to receive it in my home without their approval... how is that illegal? I know it is, but to me it doesn't make much sense. Of course in court, what makes sense to me doesn't matter much!

I agree that passive blocking works just as well, if not better because it blocks everything. But blocking everything passively is not the best option in case of an emergency. I would much rather have active jammers connected to the emergency fire control system so they can be programmed to be turned off in the event of an emergency. In our place, if the fire alarm goes off, all of the projectors stop. It would be just as easy to have the jammers shut down as well. You can't do that in a passive jamming environment.

Edit: Looks like Mark beat me by four minutes on that. Great minds think alike!

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
In our place, if the fire alarm goes off, all of the projectors stop. It would be just as easy to have the jammers shut down as well. You can't do that in a passive jamming environment.
Well... you could, and the explosions to make it work would be pretty cool.

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David Buckley
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quote: Mark J. Marshall
I'm not sure how the FCC manages to claim jurisdiction over the broadcast airwaves in a privately owned room.
Firstly cellphones do not use "broadcast" airwaves, and secondly, they exert control by benefit of being granted power over all transmissions by your government.

The cellphone companies pay your government for the privilege of exclusive use of chunks of the frequency spectrum, and that exclusivity extends over a specified area. If you start up a service using those same frequencies (which is what an active jammer is) then you have trodden on the cellphone companies rights. Its not too dissimilar that you claim the privilege to watch a movie on your screen is granted by an admission fee.

As the old refrain says - use a faraday shield, and it all goes away. You could possibly use a jammer within a faraday sheild and not be transgressing any law, as long as you have no emissions outside the sheild, but if your sheild is that good then a jammer isn't necessary.

Or, get a Gavin. Gavin is an old guy who is one of our ushers, and he confiscates phones. He grabbed my son's phone one night, whilst I was in the booth, which I thought was hilarious, serve him right. The use of cellphones has decreased dramatically...

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