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Topic: Picture not square on screen?!
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Monte L Fullmer
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posted 11-27-2007 01:25 PM
quote: Frank Dubrois
In my opinion, it's simply not worth the effort for studios to be doing this.
...but, in that story, having that effect had its purpose with the first reel being hard matted like that..
Try us, back in 1998, running the New Line IB Technicolor re-release of "Gone With the Wind", which was presented in full-frame 1.33/1, but the image was squeezed to do this full-frame presentation.
(Sadly, it was a great release, but poorly put together since the original nitrate 3-strip negatives had shrunk a bit in some reels causing color bleed and blur.)
-Monte
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Thomas Pitt
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posted 11-28-2007 01:12 AM
I don't know what you mean by the 'moonglow' effect, but I have seen something annoying at a couple of cinemas. There are blue strip lights around the screen (sometimes at the top only, other times at the sides as well) that light up during intermission. They're also on, but dimmer, during the commercials. When the movie starts however, the lights go out.
There was a theatrical Disney cartoon (Mickey, Donald and Goofy in Boat Builders) on the beginning of Meet The Robinsons. The cartoon was presented in its original Academy aspect ratio, by hard-matting the picture so it only filled the centre of the flat-ratio screen. Essentially, they'd zoomed out the picture so it used only half of the film it ought to have used!
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Monte L Fullmer
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posted 11-28-2007 02:12 AM
...gotta present a film the correct way. For if that was shown through a 1.85/1 projector aperture,there'd be serious chopping of the subject's heads and losing a lot of detail below - sorta like a 'pan and scan' full frame presentation of a scope movie in reverse.
Also in 1999, WarnerBros re-released "Wizard of Oz" in this flat,hard matted format. Yes, it was a bit smallish on the screen, but to see it presented in the original 1.37/1 academy ratio of this original 1939 release was the right way to do this.
Disney did the same with the 1990, 50th Anniv release of "Fantasia", but went further with theatres having add side maskings to get a 1.37/1 look in the auditorium, switch out present flat lenses with longer throw varieties and cut new flat apertures for this film's required 1.37/1 presented ratio since the release prints were done in full frame. Yet, Disney also did strike a few hard matt 1.85/1 with the 1.37/1 reduction image prints.
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Thomas Pitt
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posted 11-28-2007 04:40 PM
If you have stadium seating, you're almost always forced to have the projector angled downwards at the screen. Therefore, keystoning can be an important issue.
You don't usually notice it if the entire screen is covered in picture, though sometimes you can see vertical lines get skewed. I know it's most pronounced on scope films, but does it occur on flat films as well?
IIRC Meet The Robinsons was a flat film, and I didn't notice much of a keystone in the Disney short before the movie. Then again, it was Academy ratio and not 1.85 widescreen.
I've also noticed that 1.85 flat films are usually released on DVD with the entire NTSC (or PAL) picture area filled; anamorphic widescreen - the TV will stretch it. Scope films, on the other hand, are also released in anamorphic widescreen - except they have a small black border at the top and bottom to keep the aspect ratio as scope. Some TVs have an option to zoom in the picture slightly so you lose the black borders. Then, you get an entire screen filled with picture, but are losing a little of the left and right edges.
(perhaps discussion about DVD and TV aspect ratios could continue in the Afterlife forum)
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Frank Angel
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posted 11-29-2007 02:34 AM
Yes, masking and plate cuting can MASK keystoning, but it doesn't actually correct it, just gives the illusion that the image is square....but then again, everything on the screen is illusion! The sides might be straight but the image, as Thomas notes, remains skewed. In actuality tho, the human brain/eye system is very efficient in "normalizing" such distortions. In fact, unless you are sitting dead center of the screen, any angle off-center will distort the picture; but look at that distortion for even a short length of time, and your brain says, "ah, so this is the steady-state distortion, so this is what we'll assume is correct" Pretty soon you stop noticing the distortion; your mind knows it's there if you think about it, but it stops intruding in your consciousness.
Some years ago when we were transfering anamorphic scope 35mm to video, we did it by video taping the compressed anamorphic film image directly from the film frame, i.e., with no stretch correction. Although one would assume that watching an entire movie compressed this way would be unbareable, surprisingly you soon forgot the distortion was present....well, yah you still saw it, but it became irrelevant. UNTIL, we reduced the horizontal drive on the monitor so there was the correct amount of vertical squeeze to compensate, and we discovered that no matter how precise we adjusted the vertical compression (by the factor of 2x) everything was still looked fat and distorted. Of course it wasn't, it was just that it took time to "readjust" to the normal, undistorted image.
So given that we can correct for very severe distortion by kind of "filtering" it out, a little keystoning on vertical lines is really a walk in the park.
Hey you want to see how well our brains can compensate for odd situations -- just ask any cinematographer how he looks thru a camera viewfinder. You would think he would have to close the eye not looking thru the camera viewfinder so he wouldn't see two totally different images -- one thru the camera and the other outside the camera. Oh contrare. He is able to keep both eyes opened and, amazingly enough, the brain simply "turns off" the image he is not concentrating on...it's as if the eye not looking thru the camera is closed. It takes a bit of concentrating to make this happen, but it does work. And good thing too, otherwise either you would get terrible eye muscle pain from squeezing shut the one eye all the time, or you would have to wear an uncomfortable eye patch.
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Bernard Tonks
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posted 12-02-2007 06:14 AM
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