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Joshua Waaland
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Mark,

I thought the monitor in the photo was a flush mount that was bolted into the rack. I don't like the ones that are on rails and flip out. I had one of those 15" Compaq flip out monitors but couldn't get it to work in my rack. I use two post relay racks because of my limited space and those need four posts to support the rails.

Brad,

Nice job on that install. It must be nice to work with a customer that isn't afraid to drop some dough on nice equipment.

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Brad Miller
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Those are Polaroid lcd monitors from Wal-Mart. They are inexpensive and have a VGA input for the CALink monitor screen AND various other video inputs. As a result, this monitor, although not great in quality (but that doesn't matter for it's purpose) provides the status panel timeline and can be switched over to provide a preview monitor for the video projector when running events.

Peizen will make a kit for any rackmount monitor you need. They are fast, fair on prices and do good work.

The Basis/Cobranet system IS cheaper than running speaker lines into the booth. It's not just the cost of wire involved, but also the LABOR that you have to add up. Plus there are a bunch of benefits and options available for tuning, making custom formats and such. It's got a bit of a learning curve, but once you get past the first setup it's pretty sweet.

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Bobby Henderson
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That's the coolest renovation of an old grocery store building I've ever seen.

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Chad M Calpito
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Hey, Brad, all I can say is WOW! That is one hell of a nice booth. I, too, love the platter array set up. I am very jealous. The Piggyback soundracks are awesome too. Keep up the awesome job, Brad. [Big Grin]

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Brad Allen
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Brad, outstanding job on that install. Excellent indeed!

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Tim Asten
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Nice clean looking install, lovely projection room. I can't see any digital projectors, so I assume SMG still think there is a future with film (Comforting for us worried about our jobs) [Smile] . The CobraNet system looks great if you require flexable amp positioning. Personally I like amps where I can see 'em in case they go wrong and need replacing, which they do in our cinema quite often - lost two this week do to Cloverfield Meltdown Syndrome. Not sure about the platter array though, It must be a nightmare if you get a brain wrap or something. I take it that the AW3's work independently of the projectors? Our Kinoton ST200's feed platters need a constant motor run signal from the source machine to run smoothly, so I guess the platter arrays would not be practical for Kinotons.. Tim.

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Tim Reed
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quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
It does lower flutter drastically
Changing the pulleys out does that anyway.

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Chris Slycord
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quote: Tim Asten
It must be a nightmare if you get a brain wrap or something.
I remember him saying a while back that his setup (referring to a previous theater with an array) simply does not have brain wraps (and he designed the ceiling roller setup in such a way to not cause damage in the case of one).

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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quote: Tim Reed
Changing the pulleys out does that anyway.
Tim,

If you have very worn alumnium pulleys installing new alumnium pullleys might lower it a tad but it won't lower it very much... even with careful belt tensioning there exists a belt pitch difference on the double sided belt!! Its different on the inside than it is on the outside... the pulleys are not machined for this difference and the end result is that the belt teeth pick away at the pulleys when they are going onto and comming off a groove. If you pinch the davis tight loop arms together you can actually feel it. There is a huge difference between using round tooth pulleys and square tooth pulleys. Strong went thorugh similar problems in the 5-Star. Christie first used round tooth pulleys on the Cine X-35. We installed our first batch of them close to 4 years ago now. It was obvious from the get go that the flutter problem didn't exist in that machine and the basement readers tracked with very low numbers. The new belt kit for the P-35 offers the same low flutter aspect as one of the benefits. Also almost zero belt shedding with the plastic pulleys since they are self lubricating. The belts in those Cine X-35's from 4 years ago are all still the originals and show no wear! The shutter belt is also now round tooth and quite a bit heavier duty. I don't know if you've ever worked with the early garbox variety P-35... the one with the noisy reversing gear on the movement... those early machines did not have the P-35GPS flutter problem because there was no double sided belt.

Mark

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Floyd Justin Newton
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Brad--

Beautiful install!

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Michael Schaffer
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Nice work, Mr M. Did you do all the other SMG locations as well?

I know this has been discussed before but could somebody quickly sum up for me again what the logic is behind having the platters in one central location with all those long threading paths? I know this has been discussed before (well, almost anything has, I guess) but I am too lazy right now to do a search (oh yes, that's sooo much work). [Smile]

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You can't see it, but there are even SMG logos on the sconce lights. That's branding working overtime for ya!
Are they cut out templates projecting the logos on the faces of the guests? [Big Grin]

Why are the automations in the sound racks, not in the space designated for them in the consoles?

It's interesting to see the QSC network used in a movie theater. That way you have more space in the racks and central monitoring and diagnotics functions, although I am not entirely convinced all that makes too much sense in a (more or less) conventional movie theater. Pretty elaborate setup overall with a lot of nice equipment features although at the end, they did cut corners in the wrong places with the projector heads.

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Daryl C. W. O'Shea
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Why 3x ProCurve 1800-8G (which are rack mountable in pairs with HP part #5183-7210) rather than 1x ProCurve 1800-24G (which comes with mounting ears and is 20% cheaper before you even buy mounting gear for the -8Gs)?

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Brad Miller
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The older theaters have had different people servicing them and originally SMG bought only used equipment. I installed the new builds and the equipment was purchased new, so there are no surprises.

I personally prefer the setup at Royal with a platter beside each projector. Some of the SMG projectionists prefer them all lined up in a row, as it makes it easier to monitor all of them at once despite the longer threading paths. Both ways work fine and have their pros and cons vs. the other. There was not room in this booth to put them all in a row, so that was the deciding factor on the platter array layout.

quote: Michael Schaffer
Are they cut out templates projecting the logos on the faces of the guests?
I almost made a joke to the owners one time about making a looping DVD with that logo spinning that we could project onto the lower right corner of the screen during the movie and then I quickly shut my mouth. I predict your idea of the logo on the patron's faces will follow logos carved into the urinals.

The automations are easier to work with in the racks on a day to day basis, as they are higher. They are also easier serviced in the rack. The pictures don't show it, but locking panels are going over the automations this week using 4 different type of security screws to prevent idiots/morons/fucktards/etc from pressing the buttons when they shouldn't be. Only the projectionists have keys to unlock the panel.

You should check out the current line of heads Christie is putting out. I know it is hard to believe, but these heads are every bit as steady as the PK60D. Although I love the Kinotons, the Christies do have some benefits as well that affect the final image such as more control over the precise alignment and focus calibration of the image the way their turret is designed, and their apertures permit a much sharper edge to be cut (the aperture shadows are thinner). Plus they don't have that side to side play in the aperture like the turreted Kinotons do. That being said I still LOVE the Kinotons with their other advantages, but at half the price, the Christie is the winner.

quote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea
Why 3x ProCurve 1800-8G (which are rack mountable in pairs with HP part #5183-7210) rather than 1x ProCurve 1800-24G (which comes with mounting ears and is 20% cheaper before you even buy mounting gear for the -8Gs)?
The building has a spare 8G in the event of a failure. It is cheaper to buy an 8G to sit on the shelf as opposed to a 24G.

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Brad Miller
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Before anyone starts asking what I mean about the Christie turrets being superior to the Kinotons, here is a basic outline of a setup routine on the Christies. (Kinoton turrets simply do not have all of these controls. They have a clumsy "loosen 4 screws, jiggle the lens around and then retighten them" solution which is not very precise and does not permit fine tuning the side to side and top to bottom focus across the image.)

De-focus the bulb a bit.

Remove the flat lens and align console to center the reflector spot on screen.

Re-align reflector if you don't get a perfectly round spot with even dark circles around it (if new from the factory, Christie does a darned good job of aligning things).

Run loop in flat and physically level the projector. Be sure to verify it is level by racking the framing a bit so you are checking the top and the bottom. Assuming the projector has a downward tilt, remember the top of the image will be closer to level than the bottom.

Set eccentric so the image is as far left (if the right projector) as possible on both lenses. (This is for dual projector or installations such as SMG where the projector is offset due to the dual port windows. Most often you will want near the maximum amount the turret offers, but not always. This has always been a good place to start for me.)

Level scope lens by eye and set astigmatism through the lens with binoculars. (This should be done by throwing the astigmatism setting on the anamorphic as far off as you can so the picture is horribly blurry. At this point adjust the focus control on the projector and look through the binoculars to obtain perfect sharp horizontal lines. Concentrate on the thinnest lines the lens can resolve. Then without touching the projector's focus control again, adjust the astigmatism control on the lens so that any chromatic abberation is minimized and the vertical lines are as sharp as possible. Always use the binoculars for this entire step. Lock the astigmatism adjustment.)

Using binoculars, adjust for perfect side to side focus using the turret stop on scope.

Using binoculars, adjust for perfect side to side focus using the turret stop on flat. If you should come across a difference between the formats, make a note of how far you have to turn the allen wrench from the optimum setting for the scope lens and split the difference on the turret stop adjustment.

Bump the console to center the image on the screen if needed. Obtaining perfect focus across the image is most important.

At this point use the binoculars again to verify you are maintaining perfect top to bottom focus. If not, you will need to adjust the gate stop slightly until you obtain this. Having perfect focus in all 4 corners at the same time is imperative before you file the apertures.

Run a loop to verify your level again. Often booth floors are not level and if you should have to bump the console even half an inch you could throw off the level of the projected image on the screen. Make any necessary adjustments viewing through the flat lens, then switch to scope and re-level the lens if it looks off.

Run a pillarboxed scope trailer of something bright and verify the pillars appear to be parallel to the side masking. (This is most important in a changeover install, as the more of a downward tilt you have, the more slanted the scope image may suddenly appear with actual content running through it.) Re-level the scope lens and re-compare with PA35. At this point it becomes a judgment call if you can't get both to look level and squared off to the masking. Don't forget you also have the eccentric adjustment that may come into play on this step. If you need to adjust it to get things right, you will need to repeat the last however many steps.

At this point I always re-check the astigmatism on the anamorphic using binoculars.

Use the eccentric to center the flat lens horizontally. (If this is a 2 projector install do NOT rely on a piece of tape on the screen as your "centerline". Fact of the matter is any offset of the projector will end up with you cropping part of the image unnecessarily when compared to the other machine. Use the arrows and squares to center the image from the outer 0.825 line and save your tape.)

Put the aperture in and center the turret's vertical stop in scope to make the aperture edge fit within the masking.

Remove the aperture and frame the projector for perfect vertical framing using the projector's framing control.

Switch to the flat lens and adjust the turret's flat vertical stop for perfect vertical framing. Do not touch the projector's framing control during this step. The framing should remain perfectly centered between the formats WITHOUT touching the framing knob.

Switch turret and masking back and forth half a dozen times as well as opening and closing the turret to ensure that the settings hold accurately.

Reinsert the aperture and verify that with both lenses the undercut aperture fits within the boundaries of the masking. If not, go over the last few steps.

File the apertures. Angled cuts with the "pointed edge" on the screen side of the aperture will make for a sharper final aperture and permit you to obtain square corners as opposed to corners that are slightly rounded.

Focus the bulb for optimum alignment and go eat some yummy cheesecake.

I may have missed something in there, but I think that covers it. It's worth it to spend the extra time on the initial setup because things cannot be realigned after the apertures are cut without having to re-cut them, and the alignment of the equipment will affect the quality of EVERY SHOW the theater runs in that auditorium until somebody gets in there and sets it up right.

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Phil Hill
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Nice install as usual, Brad! Congrats to you and Danny! (Where's the install team pic? HUH!)

Question: Are the line-level audio signals carried via cat5 to the behind-the-screen amps? If so, which QSC xmtr and rcvr is necessary to accomplish (only) this function and about how many $? If not too expensive, sounds like a good solution for my screening room instead of balanced line-level audio lines.

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