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Jim Cassedy
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- posted 07-25-2008 10:14 AM      Profile for Jim Cassedy   Email Jim Cassedy   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Joe Elliott
I remember back in '87 when I was first learning to build up, they always came tails up.
Back in "the good old days" when changeover booths still outnumbered platter-plexes this was the norm.

I'd get my prints tails-out and inspect them while winding onto the house reels. During the last show, you'd use the house reels as take-ups and ship them tail-out back to the exchange or the next theater. It was not unknown for the union to file a complaint if reels came in "heads-out" on a regular basis back then.

As for receiving my "X-Files" print with mixed heads & tails out- - The thing that made it a real(reel?) butt pain for me yesterday was that my rewind bench is in the process of being moved from one booth to another and is currently dissasembeled, so I had no easy way to rewind the reels.

I made a 'rewind' using two MUT's, but this required dragging one down & up a flight of stairs , and through an auditorium- - something I could not do while a show was running.

So, I lost a lot of 'make-up time' on a busy day that could have been put to better, more efficent use if the reels had arrive either all heads out or tails out instead of mixed.

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Brad Miller
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quote: John T. Hendrickson, Jr
Like you, Joe, tails up, since I do not have a platter reel either. Also, since I am building on 6000's at the bench, it's easier to place cues, as the emulsion side is up.
Not quite. All of the labs (except for one overseas) wind their prints emulsion out regardless of whether it is heads or tail.

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Paul Gordon
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- posted 07-25-2008 12:24 PM      Profile for Paul Gordon   Author's Homepage   Email Paul Gordon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
tails up is best for us... as we are doing 2000ft reels most of the time... or we build right onto a 10-12,000ft tower reel.

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Galen Murphy-Fahlgren
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quote: John T. Hendrickson, Jr
If I have multiple prints, I will open and inspect all cans/boxes first. That way, I can "mix and match" to save time rewinding if I find same reels in opposite orientations.
Isn't this frowned upon, as CAP Coding varies by reel and print number?

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Monte L Fullmer
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quote: Justin Hamaker
and they still manage to line up the key slot with the hole in the split reel so you still have to disassemble the reels. (did that make any sense?)


sadly, you've got min. wage employees there who are just barely doing their needed job and have a simple job to do. No expert film handling here.

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Carl Martin
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quote:
If I have multiple prints, I will open and inspect all cans/boxes first. That way, I can "mix and match" to save time rewinding if I find same reels in opposite orientations.

Isn't this frowned upon, as CAP Coding varies by reel and print number?
i wouldn't mind messing up the CAP system like that, but if there is a problem with a reel, i'd like to report it as coming from the correct print. so i don't mix & match.

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Randy Stankey
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quote: "Galen Murphy-Fahlgren"

quote: "John T. Hendrickson, Jr"
If I have multiple prints, I will open and inspect all cans/boxes first. That way, I can "mix and match" to save time rewinding if I find same reels in opposite orientations.
Isn't this frowned upon, as CAP Coding varies by reel and print number?
Well, yes, but those "CAPped" reels are still at your theater.
AFAIK, it's always the same reel(s) which are capped in a given feature. This way, it's not possible to swap the reels around to defeat it.

So, IF two copies of a capped feature gets sent to a theater it doesn't matter whether the reels a swapped because they still have you on record as possessing that print for a given period of time.

It doesn't mean that I recommend it. I believe it's always better to keep reels from the same shipment all together.

But I don't think it's MANDITORY. Is it?

[Confused]

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Joe Redifer
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quote: Brad Miller
Not quite. All of the labs (except for one overseas) wind their prints emulsion out regardless of whether it is heads or tail.
Assuming your take-up is spinning in a clockwise direction (my rewind bench can ONLY spin this way because it is Neumade) and the soundtrack is facing you, the emulsion will always be up when loading a tails-up reel to a 6k or 7k, etc.

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John Wilson
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- posted 07-25-2008 05:37 PM      Profile for John Wilson   Email John Wilson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't care either way...heads or tails, but ALL the same way. It can't be that difficult.

quote:
Why don't you just rewind them to either Head or Tail? So they are all the same?? Simple! [Cool]

Hey, what a great idea. Why didn't we think of that? [Roll Eyes]

The point is, it's time consuming...very much so. And it's multiplied with multiple prints all received the same way to be built on the same night. Recently we went through this with 2 prints of Narnia (9 reels each print) and 2 prints of Sex And The City (8 reels each print). It made what should have been a relatively easy job much longer to complete.

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Justin Hamaker
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And even with multiple prints it wouldn't be a huge issue if we were receiving them on Tuesday or Wednesday. But when we're receiving the prints Thursday afternoon it's already difficult enough to get them built up without adding the extra time required to rewind reels.

The way I see it, the increasingly later delivery windows combined with a complete lack of consistency of reel packaging just shows the studios are far more concerned with the immediate cost savings than the long term satisfaction from quality presentations.

The one nice thing about receiving a second run print on Friday morning is you pretty much know it's going to be all heads out - if the projectionist was even semi competent.

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Kenneth Wuepper
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The "tails Out" reels could be rewound on the old Goldberg while you are making up the "Heads Out" reels.

This is one advantage of the 2,000 Foot booth as you still have house reels and a machine for rewinding to them while assembling the print on the inspection device.

When making up to 6,000 Foot reels, the choice would be: most reels (Heads or Tails) determine the direction of the makeup.

KEN

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Monte L Fullmer
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(Course, we old "film handlers" remember when film was almost always shipped tails out to out theatres so we can inspect them on the bench when we mounted the film on our house reels..)

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Mike Blakesley
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Yes, when I first got into the booth, "making up" the film just meant rewinding it onto the house reels. The reel bands always said, "DO NOT REWIND AFTER SHOWING!" or words to that effect.

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Jack Ondracek
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Hmmmm... must be a slow news day.

Mine came with reels 2 & 5 tails out... noticed that when I opened the box.

No big deal... I have several empty reels in the booth, & I build at the bench. Just rewound the two before I started.

Problem fixed.

Next?

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Andy Frodsham
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I suppose I prefer them head out, but I essentially don't mind. I don't EXPECT them to arrive in any particular way!

If they arrive head-out, I can build three to four parts up onto a 6000ft reel. I then rewind them back onto another 6000ft reel so they are head-out and ready for screening (we do changeovers).

Doing a double pass on the inspection bench (one in each direction) gives me more opportunity to spot any problems. Some edge or perforation damage can be detected more easily when you are running the print in one particular direction. This is now less of an issue with polyester prints.

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