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Author Topic: Warner taking credit where credit isn't due Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-30-2008 11:39 AM                        Look, it's obvious these guys must get some kind of a bone playing this macho Rambo role -- look at us...we thwart the bad guys in our camouflage suits and our night-vision goggles. Obviously they love this fiction and show no signs of changing their tune. They trot it out over and over. You would think even THEY would get sick of hearing it as well as the dumbass reporters (don't these hacks EVER ask for verification of these contentions?). Did this reporter even think to ask if even a single person was spotted and stopped and arrested due to the night goggle nonsense? Or did he just regurgitate whatever the Warners suit spewed out? And can the suits REALLY think that if a bunch of pimply prepubescent toads were to get an off screen copy and watch it on an ipod, it would have changed those big opening weekend numbers one iota? Actually, who cares. Let them think it; they're idiots. And someone should let them in on a little secret -- it's not macho Rambo they look like with their big tough anti-piracy goggles, but more like wussy gurlie Alice....Alice in freakin Wonderland.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 07-30-2008 01:21 PM                     quote: Frank Angel Did this reporter even think to ask if even a single person was spotted and stopped and arrested due to the night goggle nonsense? Or did he just regurgitate whatever the Warners suit spewed out? Not to give the idiot suits any credit but just because no one was arrested doesn't mean the whole thing was a failure. If some guy keeps guns in his house and all the criminals around him have heard that he's more than willing to shoot them, would you say that having the gun was only a success once someone tried to rob him and got gunned down? Or couldn't it be seen as a success by the fact that because the guys know he's willing to shoot them, they avoid robbing his house altogether?  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 07-30-2008 01:40 PM                        Have the studios publicised this night vision goggle thing to the public? Are all the would-be screen capture pirates cowering in their boots because they heard on this massive effort to watch the audiences with night vision goggles? And it just seems we would hear about SOME bootleggers caught by this measure....or the crap codes. It isn't like Hollywood to hide success under a barrel. Thing is, criminals KNOW that there are store owners who install survalance cameras and who even carry guns. They know there have been robbers who HAVE gotten gunned down, but that doesn't stop crime. Stores are still robbed. I am only saying, where are the stats that say, we implimented this or that system and we saw this or that much reduction in the problem as a direct result? All we ever hear is how much they say they are loosing and the contention that it's mostly a result of activity that goes on in those dark theatres where the pirates ply their trade unimpeded or even worse, countenanced by exhibitors.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 07-30-2008 01:58 PM                     quote: Frank Angel Have the studios publicised this night vision goggle thing to the public? The fact that this thread started from the fact that this vision goggle thing was mentioned in a news article would show the answer to your question is "yes." Further, my point wasn't that having a gun stops people from robbing you. I was pointing out how having it could reduce the chances. Just like if, like your example, you have a shop with no cameras or any security system you'll be more likely to have someone rob you. And installing a security system and NOT having anyone arrested isn't necessarily a bad thing because places with security cameras get robbed less often than ones that do. But I concur that we have no evidence the goggles really did anything. I was only pointing out that what you specifically asked for wasn't an accurate method for determining if it helped.  |  IP: Logged Carl Martin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1424 From: Oakland, CA, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-30-2008 02:39 PM                        well, that article did come out after the fact.  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 07-30-2008 02:54 PM                     Yes but the fact is that the info about it happening was posted here before it happened. So the bootleggers very likely heard about it too and could've (shockingly) avoided bootlegging for a few days (until the theaters more or less forgot about the goggles).  |  IP: Logged Benny Walters Film Handler Posts: 41 From: Columbus, OH USA Registered: Jul 2008 posted 07-31-2008 08:18 PM                     The only security on our prints was the 'fake' name and our three prints arrived at 1205A.M., 24 hours before our midnight. The feature came in packed fox boxes each accompanied by a tiny metal box 2 reel-sized, with all the trailers. I was really annoyed with some of the other prints this Summer for bigger releases arriving early but having one can locked and they refuse to give out the codes until early the next day. If I can't screen it how am I supposed to know if one of the reels is unwatchable, which has happened before and will happen again, thanks studios...  |  IP: Logged David Kilderry Master Film Handler Posts: 355 From: Melbourne Australia Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-02-2008 04:28 AM                        Warner Roadshow sent TWO security guards out to our drive-in instead of night vision goggles and they patrolled the field during the first screening. One guy in a car yelled out "stop walking in front of my car you dumb @#$%" The crazy security guy (Rambo in disguise) almost pulled him out of the car and lauched his own tirade of abuse back! David  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-02-2008 11:22 AM                        That is ing outrage! I would have throw this guy out of my theatre on his ass for causing a disturbance like that, just the same as I would throw out anyone disrupting a show. I'd have the SOB escorted out by police if he refused to leave. You don't have to take that kind of crap no matter what the circumstances or they are. This isn't freakin Homeland Security against terrorism, IT'S A DAMN MOVIE. David, don't let this slide; at the very least, you should file a formal complaint with both Warners and with the trashy security company they are using. Do you insist on seeing identification when these morons show up? Does WB give theatres proper advance notice, or do their aparachaks just show up and say they are going to walk around your field all night? I think we need to be as officious as the studios. If the studios want to pull this gestapo nonsense, then we can do the same. Make them send you ADVANCE notice that they are sending people -- and how many -- and with proper identification. And have the studio FAX a sample to so the GM can see what it's supposed to look like. Now MY terms: they can sit unobtrusively like the counters do; they can't do anything that disturbs my patrons or interferes in any way with my staff or my projectionist. These goons were way beyond that, walking around during the movie in front of cars.?!! To me, that is totally, unequivocally unacceptable. They can do their "police activity" as long as it isn't disruptive to my operation. If they do anything disruptive, they are out on the sidewalk in 10 seconds. Son of a bitch!  |  IP: Logged Tom Doyle Expert Film Handler Posts: 176 From: Bristol, CT, USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 08-02-2008 05:49 PM                     Has anyone ever, in any movie piracy case, ever heard of a particular theater being named as the origin of a pirated copy? Or is the CAP code not working?  |  IP: Logged Chris Slycord Film God Posts: 2986 From: 청주시, 경북도, South Korea Registered: Mar 2007 posted 08-03-2008 03:54 AM                     Well there was at least one post on here by the late John Pytlak stating that there were cases of the CAP working and pirates being caught from it. And I believe he was the one at Kodak who devised the code system they use.  |  IP: Logged Phil Blake Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 558 From: esperance western australia Registered: Nov 2003 posted 08-03-2008 05:10 AM                        This is all very interesting , but I doubt all these precautions have contributed alot to the opening gross, this show has been receiving so much attention since Heath Ledger died it was bound to be big. But just maybe all this extra has helped a bit at our end of the chain but what is stopping one of the many who have access digitally to the final production in the editing or processing departments. Does anyone check their back pockets when the knock off for the day ?  |  IP: Logged David Kilderry Master Film Handler Posts: 355 From: Melbourne Australia Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-04-2008 07:16 AM                        Frank, it was our first experience of security on duty for this kind of thing; I would not welcome this style of security again. In fact the night vision goggles given to other theatres would have been much more appropriate, given it is very difficult to see inside a dark car! I plan to speak to Warner Roadshow and suggest that there is a better way to handle the issue in future at our drive-in. David  |  IP: Logged Geena Phillips Expert Film Handler Posts: 198 From: Norcross, GA / USA Registered: Apr 2006 posted 08-05-2008 01:25 PM                        Don't be naive, Mike. If studios acknowledged a positive contribution from exhibitors toward the success of their films, that might be seen as an argument for them NOT taking 90+% of the opening-weekend gross.  |  IP: Logged Anslem Rayburn Master Film Handler Posts: 476 From: Yuma, AZ, USA Registered: May 2002 posted 08-05-2008 02:16 PM                     If you're paying 90% someone is doing something wrong. Edited to remove unnecessary quote.  |  IP: Logged

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