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Emiel De Jong
Film Handler

Posts: 48
From: Geldrop The Netherlands
Registered: Mar 2007

posted 09-05-2008 02:09 PM

OK, I'm amazed... I have some 5-6 of these movements in my attic, all of them useless due to wear of the nylon wormwheel. The curve where it takes the pinwheel often even has a rough surface; you can feel it scraping when you turn it. And in some literature I have about this machine, it's mentioned the designer especially chose nylon; that material was elastic enough for the grooves to be machined some microns too narrow for the pins so they always would be 100% tight. Untill, of course, after years of service they came to be in the state they are now. Luckily the EL 5001's I sometimes use are still very good.
It's a beautiful mechanism indeed, that's why I don't throw the worn movements out. Will make a nice display item when taken apart. Note how the pinwheel is built; to be as precise as possible the spacers between the pins are pieces of the same pipe the pins are cut from; the ensemble shrunk fit in the holder.... I'm going to open a bottle of wine now.

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Gene Stavis
Film Handler

Posts: 26
From: New York, NY
Registered: Aug 1999

posted 10-11-2008 02:44 PM

Ron Toole:

I am looking for a good condition FP 28. Are you still interested in selling? I can't get your email address, but you can reach me at filmgene@aol.com

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Ron Toole
Film Handler

Posts: 7
From: Washington, DC, USA
Registered: Jul 2008

posted 04-23-2009 05:41 PM

Thanks to everyone who offered advice back in summer ’08 on our Kinoton film projector installation.

I am happy to report that each of the units has been installed and they operate like champs. Neal Rockman of Cardinal Sound performed the installation and Neal's work was correlative with his reputation: excellent.

Last summer I asked film-techers their opinion on a couple of points, a brief summary includes:
1. 3-to-2 wing shutter modification
2. power supply / xenon
3. Sound

The power supply situation was resolved when further investigation revealed the rectifiers were 75’s, which would give us enough to power 2K Xenon bulbs. This freed us up financially to perform the shutter modification.

Here are a couple pics of our newly installed Kinoton’s. Booth environmental space is always a consideration but as you can see particularly relevant in our situation. Thusly did we decide to install just a single side of the 16mm projection. The space avings of a single lamphouse makes much difference to the operability of the booth, while giving us enough 16 projection capability to satisfy what comes our way.

We haven’t upgraded sound as of yet.

Thanks again for your input and thanks again to Cardinal Sound. If any of you happen to make it to the Washington DC area and are curious to see our facilities, send me an email.
Ron Toole

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Mark Gulbrandsen
Resident Trollmaster

Posts: 16657
From: Music City
Registered: Jun 99

posted 04-23-2009 06:40 PM

I agree it was a beautiful mechanism but it now has a slight hint of cheapness to it. All of the older 16mm phillips stuff I have had to deal with has had the fibre screw in them and that eventually breaks up. It now gets replaced by a delrin(or some sort of plastic) screw.

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Jeff Else
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 125
From: Detroit, MI, USA
Registered: Nov 2006

posted 10-16-2009 05:56 PM

okay. i've finally got my pair of FP20's up and running. i've had a good tech by to show me some of the subtleties of setting up the gates. i have thoroughly cleaned the lateral guide rollers, but they could probably use some adjustment.. but i am getting ahead of myself... in time, of course, i will work out all the issues on these long neglected and abused machines. here is my most pressing issue. my machine number two has a terrible vertical shake. it is very rapid, but doesn't travel very far.. if that makes sense. i've heard worn intermittent sprokets and framing couplers as common problems. how can i narrow this down? (please don't let it be the framing coupler!!)

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