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Author Topic: 'The Duchess' - no DTS discs in circulation! Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-09-2008 09:07 PM                     quote "that was only on Kodak print stocks, I don't know because of Kodak's or lab's fault." The perf area is subject to higher wear than any other area on a print and many older machines did abrade that section I feel sorry for anyone who tried to run a DD print after it played on a olde super or standard or wenzal And as for DTS being obselete I am just installing another 15 units right now  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-10-2008 01:20 AM                        I'm pretty sure the SDDS area gets more wear.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-10-2008 02:20 AM                        Don't blame DTS for the inability to download ISO files and skip the disc dilemma entirely -- they built that capability in with the XD10; not to make downloading available to exhibitors has ALWAYS been the studio's choice and the result of their suits' manic obsession with piracy. As Joe says, this solution laughably simple. I say, it's so simple that even a moron would see it, which certainly should qualify the studio execs.  |  IP: Logged Andy Frodsham Expert Film Handler Posts: 238 From: Stoke on Trent, Staffs, UK Registered: Nov 2006 posted 10-10-2008 03:37 AM                     Yes Gordon, I quite agree - DTS is far from obsolete! And, when the discs arrive, it always performs solidly and without a hitch (in our theatre anyway)! If they good just sort-out the disc issue!!!  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 10-10-2008 06:14 AM                     Gordon You can believe me or not! That issue was in the whole country and limited to Kodak Stock. Fuji was not affected.  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 10-11-2008 03:05 AM                     quote: Andy Frodsham Pathe in the UK have 'chosen' not to send-out DTS soundtrack discs with their copies of 'The Duchess'. Ironically, the 'Dutchess' print I got had THREE complete sets of disks enclosed. Go figure! I don't think DTS is all that bad. Technically it's not a bad system. The weak point seems to be the disks, which can often arrive scratched, crushed, or not at all. I agree with those who suggest that there should be a way for DTS clients to download audio content from DTS via a secure server & internet connection. I'd also like to be able to interconnect all my XD-10s in the same location so that when moving prints from one auditorium to another, the player in that booth could find the audio it needs on one of the other units and then transfer it to its' own disk, without me having to physically load each player with the disks. (not that it's a BIG task, but I have enough other stuff to keep me busy!) When I worked as an engineer for a video-tape house (1 inch) a while back, the editing system had a timecode device with a "GPI" (General Purpose Interface). It provided either a current-sink or relay closure at a given SMPTE timecode reading so that you could control external devices such as non-smpte compatable audio playback decks, video switchers, DVE boxes, etc. I'd really like to see someone make a similar box that would read DTS timcode and provide relay or TTL outputs at any pre-set time code point(s). I can think of DOZENS of theater and projection operations I could automate with such a device. But as far as I can tell from the manual, there isn't any way to even port the DTS code out of the XD-10 to use elsewhere. If I wasn't so busy I'd start haking the thing and figure out how to do it myself. [ 10-11-2008, 10:38 AM: Message edited by: Jim Cassedy ]  |  IP: Logged Daniel Schulz Master Film Handler Posts: 387 From: Los Angeles, CA USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 10-11-2008 02:55 PM                        With respect to loading content from one unit to another within a single complex, the successor to the XD10, the XD20, will do just that. It is a 2RU unit, with a separate 1RU unit with the drives for disc loading (the DR1). A booth equipped with XD20s can load the content (feature soundtracks, captions and/or audio description) onto a single unit: the others will see that new content has been loaded, and will clone it onto their own internal drives. We'll have units on display at ShowEast, so come check 'em out if you'll be in Orlando.  |  IP: Logged Drew Ballard Film Handler Posts: 10 From: Gadsden AL Registered: Jan 2008 posted 10-11-2008 04:24 PM                     quote: Phil Blake -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mamma Mia,Wanted, Dark Knight, Mummy 3,Taken, Wall.e,Journey to centre earth , no discs. I also had all the DTS dics with all these movies  |  IP: Logged Demetris Thoupis Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1240 From: Aradippou, Larnaca, Cyprus Registered: Apr 2001 posted 10-11-2008 08:00 PM                     I saw a preliminary leaflet of the "ShowStore" unit. So it will be XD20 after all! Good to know that. Demetris  |  IP: Logged Scott Jentsch Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1061 From: New Berlin, WI, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 10-14-2008 10:16 AM                        quote: Daniel Schulz With respect to loading content from one unit to another within a single complex, the successor to the XD10, the XD20, will do just that. It is a 2RU unit, with a separate 1RU unit with the drives for disc loading (the DR1). A booth equipped with XD20s can load the content (feature soundtracks, captions and/or audio description) onto a single unit: the others will see that new content has been loaded, and will clone it onto their own internal drives. Will the XD20 have the ability to phone home and retrieve soundtrack ISO's for movies that it needs, but doesn't have discs for? At the very least, can it take ISO's on either DVD or USB thumb drive that licensed owners can download from a central repository for those unfortunate instances when they don't get the discs with the film? If so, that sounds like an incredible unit, and I'm sure that theaters will be very interested in upgrading to that product. If not, good luck with that.  |  IP: Logged Marco Giustini Film God Posts: 2713 From: Reading, UK Registered: Nov 2007 posted 10-14-2008 06:21 PM                     Scott DTS told us many times that this is not possibile because studios are not allowing it, unless things are changed.  |  IP: Logged Scott Jentsch Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1061 From: New Berlin, WI, USA Registered: Apr 2003 posted 10-20-2008 03:44 PM                        I understand that, and that's why I commented the way that I did. A product that had such a capability would be truly compelling. Any product without it does nothing to help the biggest limiting factor in DTS installations growing any time soon. It doesn't matter who's causing the logjam in getting such a feature released, it's ultimately DTS's responsibility because it's their product that is affected. Sufficient will on someone's part would make it possible, and that will seemingly doesn't exist, so their product line suffers as a result. Without such a compelling feature, any new DTS product is going to need some serious luck and skilled marketing/sales to sell decently. That's why I wished them luck, I hope that ShoWest has been good to them.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-20-2008 07:03 PM                        quote: Sufficient will on someone's part would make it possible, and that will seemingly doesn't exist, Don't be too sure. Remember it is film company executives and legal departments they are dealing with on this issue, and those people live in a completely different universe than the one the rest of us occupy. (I know this because I'm an exhibitor.)  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 10-20-2008 07:09 PM                        I think his point as that no matter whose fault it is, it makes it a big disadvantage of owning a DTS system.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-20-2008 10:58 PM                        Gotta agree. We went to Dolby in '06 because we upgraded our whole sound system and traded the DTS in on a Dolby package. I was a big proponent of DTS when we first got it, mostly because it allowed a small place to have digital sound without spending such huge $ as with Dolby. But now, probably one in four prints we get arrives without disks; and some of the disks we do get are smashed or scratched. It has gotten markedly worse over the past six months or so. I would never go back to DTS and wouldn't recommend it for anybody unless they run everything on the break, and even then you risk smashed disks because they stupidly trashed their great shipping container in favor of the cheap plastic DVD boxes.  |  IP: Logged

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