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Jon P. Inghram
Expert Film Handler

Posts: 124
From: Wichita, KS USA
Registered: Jan 2007


 - posted 10-10-2008 01:18 PM      Profile for Jon P. Inghram   Email Jon P. Inghram   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
On Christie AW3 platters with black rollers, a "nice" way to give the print vertical scratches is to accidentally thread over the metal keeper for the bottom roller on the sliding roller cluster thing.

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Joe Tommassello
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Coatesville, PA, USA
Registered: Jan 2008


 - posted 10-10-2008 02:40 PM      Profile for Joe Tommassello   Email Joe Tommassello       Edit/Delete Post 
Drew:

Has this projector scratched more than one print? It sounds like someone missed a roller at some point. Was it a new print when you got it? If not can you verify if scratches were evident on the first show? There are many possibilities to rule out.

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Tony L. Hernandez
Expert Film Handler

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From: Windsor, CO, USA
Registered: Dec 2005


 - posted 10-10-2008 10:27 PM      Profile for Tony L. Hernandez   Email Tony L. Hernandez   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Like others have said, there could be so many causes to your scratches. However, I believe it is safe to say (anyone can correct me if I've left something out) that scratches are always caused by one of three things : 1. Improper threading of platters/projector(s) 2. Allowing dirt to build up in platters/projector(s) and 3. A worn or damaged part in the platter/projector(s)

I would take a good long examination of your equipment while you are running a print. I did this after scratching the hell out of a print, much to my chagrin, and discovered that a tiny, innocent looking plastic roller had frozen up and was causing all of my problems. Once oiled, my problems went away.

You can also run an old trailer REEL TO REEL (do NOT run it thru the platters)thru your projector. If the trailer comes out scratch free, then the problem is most likely in your platters. Likewise, if its scratched after running it reel to reel, the problem lies in your projector and/or soundhead.

Not sure if anyone else has noticed but I have found that Warner Bros. prints seem to scratch very easily and require extreme care to keep the prints scratch free.

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Fred Tucker
Film Handler

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From: Sugar Land, TX
Registered: Sep 2007


 - posted 10-10-2008 11:49 PM      Profile for Fred Tucker   Email Fred Tucker   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Doesnt the Simplex 35 have an adjustable shoe like the 1060? I've scrached several prints because someone was too rough with the film gate and knocked the shoe out of wack. It only takes one pass to scratch a print.... Thank God for Film-Guard!

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Joe Tommassello
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Coatesville, PA, USA
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quote: Tony L. Hernandez
You can also run an old trailer REEL TO REEL (do NOT run it thru the platters)thru your projector. If the trailer comes out scratch free, then the problem is most likely in your platters.
In fact, get a NEW trailer that has never been on a projector and see if it scratches.

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Eric Robinson
Jedi Master Film Handler

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From: Santa Rosa, CA
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I don't have reel to reel on any of my Simplex machines; therefor, I use a loop. Its a little tricky sometimes to set a loop up so that no scratching occurs, BUT....

This is great advice to run a brand new piece of film, possibly a loop if needed, making sure there not to create your own scratches by getting the film to loop back to the top.

This exercise will eliminate a lost of wasted time and effort if indeed no scratches appear.

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Troy Hilsman Powell
Film Handler

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From: Jacksonville,FL
Registered: May 2007


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Had the same problem on my simplex 35.I had to adjust the dead stop on the film gate when it was closed.Simplex is known for it.The film was rubbing across the aperture plate when it was pulled down in the trap.Whole movie was scratched.Most times you will not see this until rethread on next show of same print.Had to adjust a lot of them over the years.Loc-tite works best on the dead stop allen head screw threads.Loc-tite worked best.Had no more problems after that.

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Kenneth Wuepper
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Saginaw, MI, USA
Registered: Feb 2002


 - posted 10-16-2008 06:24 AM      Profile for Kenneth Wuepper   Email Kenneth Wuepper   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Troy,

Don't all of your Allen screws have locking nuts? All of the Simplex we have do!

KEN

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