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Steve Guttag
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BTW...Tony...odd as it may sound...an upgraded CP50...presumming the power supply is up to the job...is actually quieter and cleaner than your CP65. The 517's have better VCAs and outputs than the Cat 242.

Steve

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Brad Miller
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Well, the CP50 CAN be modified to run SRD. Back around the mid 90s I was running a custom modified CP50 in my screening room where I put a cat117 in the cat108 spare slot and did some backplane changes to create split surrounds with subwoofer. It worked like a charm and as others have noted, it was dead quite and sounded fantastic. The only reason I changed it out was to put in a CP200.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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I still like the CP-100 the best of the bunch...these things just keep tickin. I just picked a couple up... My back is killing me!

Mark

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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quote: Steve Guttag
BTW...Tony...odd as it may sound...an upgraded CP50...presumming the power supply is up to the job...is actually quieter and cleaner than your CP65. The 517's have better VCAs and outputs than the Cat 242.

Steve

While I can agree with the possibility of the 517's VCA's being cleaner that the 242's, the CP-50 I had for a while (with all the upgrades) was NOT quieter that my current CP-65.

Could have been a fluke, but all the CP-65's I have run into so far (including the one at UC Irvine) are very quiet.

Mark: I had a CP-100 a long time ago...it was an impressive piece of gear for it's time. It suffered from Dolby's usual weak link, a crappy power supply. I did some mods to it which helped out.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Gee, The 100 power supply was the most reliable one that Dolby built from what I've seen over the years. I've rarely seen them fail... only with age because of dried out caps. The VCA is npt too good... has a bad crossover notch at high frequencies. Retrofitting a newer style board is advisable. The power supply IS kinda hard to get at though....
One of the 100's I just picked up is serial number 83...

Mark

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Steve Guttag
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I wouldn't classify ANY of the Dolby CPs as quiet...they all have varying degrees of hiss or even hum to them. It is one reason I went to Panastereo for screening rooms and critical environments...the Pana is on the order of 10-12dB quieter.

As for the Cat 242...it is notably noisier than the Cat 517. In fact, Dolby had a retro-fit for "studios" for the Cat 242 (I want to say it was the Cat 242SB)...it essentially removed the TDA series of VCA and using a daughterboard soldered to the pads of where the chip went..."That" corp VCAs were used instead.

Steve

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Jeff Else
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i'm planning on this being an analogue only setup, so, does analogue provide split surround information? if so, does someone have the instructions for the appropriate back-pane modifications to achieve split-surround and subwoofer? if not, all i will need is the information necessary for sub-woofer operation.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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Jeff:

No, analog does NOT provide split surrounds.

Sam Chavez and a few others here can provide the subwoofer mod info.

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John Hawkinson
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it's in the Manuals section:

DA20 modification for subwoofer pass-through.

Quite a nice write-up.

--jhawk

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Jeff Else
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this setup will be analogue only. I am looking for the CP50 mod. analogue can provide subwoofer information with a cat 560, right??

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Christos Mitsakis
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Or, the older cat160.

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