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Author Topic: Anyone install D-BOX motion seats? William T. Parr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 823 From: Cedar Park, TX Registered: Nov 2000 posted 07-30-2009 05:12 PM                     quote: They should just install a taser on each seat!! Why do I have this image in my head of a theatre full of people screaming " Don't Taze Me Bro"  |  IP: Logged Kevin Fairchild Expert Film Handler Posts: 125 From: Kennewick, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2008 posted 08-05-2009 10:26 AM                     I wonder if Dbox will add seat movement to 3D films and market it as 4D.  |  IP: Logged Robert E. Allen Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1078 From: Checotah, Oklahoma Registered: Jul 2002 posted 08-05-2009 04:51 PM                     Watch out guys! 3D is back from the 50s, motion seats are back from the 50s, "Smell-a-vision" is next.  |  IP: Logged Kenneth Wuepper Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1026 From: Saginaw, MI, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 08-05-2009 06:22 PM                     Everything Old is NEW again! Ba-Da-Bum!  |  IP: Logged Edwin Schwing Expert Film Handler Posts: 116 From: Las Vegas NV Registered: May 2002 posted 09-06-2009 04:51 AM                     Paul, Get your butt up here!! (Galaxy Cannery) Experience it yourself before you pass judgment. 22 seats, 2 rows (waiting on a third row) Only a few days left for Final Destination in 3D D-Box. You can be my guest. Edwin Schwing  |  IP: Logged System Notices Forum Watchdog / Soup Nazi Posts: 215 Registered: Apr 2004 posted 08-03-2011 02:14 AM                 It has been 695 days since the last post.  |  IP: Logged Robert John Jeromson Master Film Handler Posts: 264 From: Auckland, New Zealand Registered: Jul 2004 posted 08-03-2011 02:14 AM                     Reviving an old topic - does anybody have an example of what the file name for a feature encoded for d-box motion control looks like? Am I correct in assuming that there is a difference in the file name and that a seperate KDM is required?  |  IP: Logged Mike Blakesley Film God Posts: 12767 From: Forsyth, Montana Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-03-2011 02:28 AM                        Yes, it's a separate filename. At least on theones I've seen, it's a version file where you need to ingest the full movie file first, then the Dbox file. I don't know if a separate KDM is required but I'd guess that it's a yes on that. You can easily tell the Dbox filename -- just look for the notation DBOX in the name just after the title. We tried out the Dbox sampler at CinemaCon. They were showing the Pirates 4 trailer with it. I did find the "moving heads" of the people in front of me kind of distracting. Maybe I'm just not enough of a kid, but I wouldn't want to watch a movie while being tossed about. quote: Robert E. Allen "Smell-a-vision" is next. Robert, you were right! Spy Kids 4. Although they are calling it "4-D AromaVision.)  |  IP: Logged Harold Hallikainen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 906 From: Denver, CO, USA Registered: Aug 2009 posted 08-03-2011 07:45 AM                        It's my understanding that the Dbox data leaves the DCS on AES channel 13. It's encoded as a binary file that the server treats as an audio track and outputs as AES, but it is not audio. There is currently discussion of servers setting bits in the AES streams to insure the stream does not end up on auditorium speakers. I have not tried Dbox, but I did do something similar in a theater years ago in Las Vegas. It was an "abandoned mine ride" movie. It was pretty effective. You were riding along in a mine railroad car. You felt and heard the wheels go over the rail expansion gaps. Then, ahead, you saw that a cave in had wiped out the rails and left a large cavern. As the car went off the edge, motion stopped. It gave a pretty effective feeling of going off the edge. I don't see it being super effective in the movies I typically watch (most recently Midnight in Paris and Buck - maybe it could be used in Buck?). Harold  |  IP: Logged David Zylstra Master Film Handler Posts: 432 From: Novi, MI, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 08-03-2011 04:09 PM                     We have DBOX seats at 5 locations and since the recent change to their track being on channels 13/14 (previously on 7/8) we have mostly single inventory DCPs - i.e. all copies of Harry Potter and Super 8 have the DBOX track available to play. DBOX splits off AES pair 7 (audio channels 13/14), converts to S/PDIF and inputs into their MFX transmitter. There is definitely a dedicated crowd willing to pay the premium fee, we even have 1 3D DBOX auditorium and customers have been willing to pay over $20 each to see DBOX with a 3D title.  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-05-2011 07:31 AM                        How noisey are these things? I would guess you can't move a row of half a dozen seats to and fro with a compliment of some oversized patrons in them with a few small stepping motors! You are going to need some pretty heavy duty moving equipment. We have some patrons who you would need a forklift to shove them around. This kind of thing would be pretty noisey.....and distracting, no?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-05-2011 08:07 AM                     Double action air cylinders? But that would mean that the air exhaust would have to be ported outside the theater. Are these seats designed for "drop-in" installation or "hardwire"?  |  IP: Logged David Zylstra Master Film Handler Posts: 432 From: Novi, MI, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 08-05-2011 08:54 AM                     Each seat needs power and a cat5 loop from the booth controller so they are essentially hardwired after installing the conduit to protect the cat5. The base is bolted to the floor with pretty heavy duty studs that are epoxied in. So far the seats are pretty quiet as they work - I've watched a full row moving and not heard any noise. We have had one complaint about vibrations to the row behind the seats (for the movie 2012), but most complaints are not enough titles.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Sisemore Flaming Ribs beat Reeses Peanut Butter Cups any day! Posts: 3061 From: Rockwall TX USA Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-11-2011 10:52 PM                     We have D-Box seats in a few locations, and the general audience reaction is good, they do sell out the first week, but after the first week, the D-Box sales seem to drop off sharply (especially on a title that bombs, like Jonah Hex did)... As for the experience, it isn't that bad, the seats are quiet, but they can cause the floor to vibrate, making the fixed seats in the immediate vicinity of the D-Box seats vibrate a little bit. My other issue is that having your feet on the floor with moving seats takes some of the fun out of the experience.  |  IP: Logged Dominic Espinosa Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1172 From: California, U.S.A. Registered: Jan 2004 posted 08-15-2011 03:51 PM                     Second what Aaron says. For us the experience has been luke-warm. For certain movies we certainly see sell-outs the opening weekend (Harry Potter, Inception, come to mind) but in other titles, like Tron, DBOX were the only seats really selling well during the prime-time set in week 3. Of course, being in Silicon Valley some folks are more excited about the tech so they do it. We've had complaints during Inception from other folks in the room because the seats moving scared the patrons behind them. Heh. Yes, these are only availble for Digital. They use audio channels 13 & 14. DBOX provides a DB25 adaptor to pull out those 2 channels to route to the MFX transmitter. There MAY be a VF (Version File) which is clearly identifiable as the DBOX track. Other times it's embeded in the OV (Original Version) CPL (Composition Playlist) and completely unidentifiable by normal means. A special KDM is required. The KDM will be easily identifiable as being for a DBOX feature. There are 2 or 3 actuators in the base, depending on which model seat you have (earlier have 2) which move the seat and also provide the vibration. From an engineering standpoint they are brilliantly engineered since they can give you so many sensations with such a minimal amount of components. The actuators are electric motors with a piston which bolt to the seat bottom. I will say as organizations go, the team at DBOX is extremely responsive, savvy, and helpful. Can't say that about certain other organizations... Most commonly folks ask us if they could implement a massage feature into them.  |  IP: Logged

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