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Frank Angel
Film God

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From: Brooklyn NY USA
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 - posted 08-24-2009 09:41 AM      Profile for Frank Angel   Author's Homepage   Email Frank Angel   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Aaron, I wasn't suggesting that you personally shouldn't make the adverts look as good as they could -- in fact, your desire to put on a quality presentation is admirable and what it's all about -- I was questioning why the theatre owner does it, and for the reasons which I, and the other guys here, have pointed out.

No question, keep your passion for putting on the best show you can with what resourses they have given you.

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Scott Jentsch
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 - posted 08-24-2009 09:48 AM      Profile for Scott Jentsch   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Jentsch   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I think the pre-show advertising is like any other aspect of the moviegoing experience. It can either add to the experience, or it can detract from it.

While it's hard to make it a positive factor, it's also not that hard to keep it from becoming a large negative factor. It sounds like some here go through some effort to keep it from being the latter, while many advertising companies seem intent on doing otherwise.

One of the local theaters here in Milwaukee has such bad pre-show advertising, that it actually makes the theater look bad, IMO. The quality of the ads are OK (decently voiced, good photos of the business, etc.), but the quality of the projected image is so poor, that it appears that the theater can't figure out how to put an image on the screen. If I were brand new to the theater, I'd be worried about their ability to show the actual feature with any quality.

The video appears to be VHS quality, which is odd, since I would think it would cost nearly as much to edit these ads in HD as in SD, and HD-capable projectors can't be that hard to find or more expensive than SD-only ones.

Odd thing is, the theater management recognizes how poor it is, but they don't see it as a problem. It's managed by the ad company and maintained by the ad company, and they don't think it reflects poorly on the theater. I think they're wrong, but it's their theater, so if they want something that sucks showing in their theater, that's their right!

Relevant advertising can be OK, and I don't think people object to seeing ads before the show, as long as they're not bothersome. They need to be decent quality, not be too loud to inhibit conversation before the show, and they should not delay the actual showtime by more than a few minutes (if any at all).

Interspersing ads with factoids, trivia questions, and other non-ads would help keep it from feeling like a blatant exploitation of a captive audience, and adding something special, like a customized policy trailer or at least a final segment that says "And now... on with the show!" and shows animated curtains opening or something would be a touch of class that I know would never happen in most theaters but would be a distinctive touch that may resonate with customers.

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Scott Norwood
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 - posted 08-24-2009 09:56 AM      Profile for Scott Norwood   Author's Homepage   Email Scott Norwood   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
As much as I dislike cinema advertising, I can actually deal with slides or the video equivalent (still images projected without sound and with houselights up). It is not overly obnoxious and does not interfere with the exhibitor's ability to play appropriate non-sync music or the patrons' ability to converse quietly among themselves. On the other hand, this type of advertising is probably not terribly effective.

Animated video ads, ads with sound, and film ads are all completely objectionable and not appropriate.

Exception: theatre/movie related advertising (popcorn, gift certificates, trailers) are expected and appropriate, and few customers would begrudge a theatre that tried to promote its on product.

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Joe Elliott
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 - posted 08-24-2009 11:27 AM      Profile for Joe Elliott   Email Joe Elliott   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Our preshow ads are done by Unique Screen Media (Access IT), and I have been very happy with the quality. They supply the projectors and update the DVD's we use every 3 or 4 weeks. When done right like this, preshow ads definately add to the movie experience. We regularly get complaits asking to turn up the sound so they can hear the preshow (and I think sometimes to drown out another noisy patron in the audience). The Screenvision stuff we use is rolling stock, and definately detracts from our presentation because of the quality of the stock as mentioned previously.

I say if Screenvision is upset about this thread, they post a rep here, and show their intent on improving their on screen image. Take these criticisms and build a better business because of them. There are many people here who represent their companies in an effort to improve their business. Welcome to the 21st century.

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Jeremy Spracklen
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 - posted 08-24-2009 02:19 PM      Profile for Jeremy Spracklen   Email Jeremy Spracklen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I don't want to say that Screenvision is a scam on the theaters, but I do believe that they intentionally create situations where they can declare the exhibitor "non-compliant" and refuse to pay. These include:

1. Shorting the theaters an appropriate number of ad rolls for every rating and format. They already look ahead at release schedules for the month for rating and formats (which is proven by the fact that we do not receive any G-Rated Scope rolls if we don't have any G-Rated Scope movies that month), but we always manage to be short appropriate ads. When we get the final bookings and find out picture formats for the week, we send the obligatory email to their service, but it is impossible for them to get the commercials to us in time for the weekend (in reality, they have yet to ever fill a request for more ads, but I was trying to give them a chance). But, since we aren't in full compliance, they can refuse payment.

2. This one is just downright shady - They send the ads in a fedex box and ask the theaters to return the rolls in the same box. The problem is that the return label that they enclose is a UPS airbill. This combination just confuses the hell out of everyone. We always give the return box to the managers and they try to give it to the FEDEX driver who refuses it, because of the UPS airbill, and then they try to give it to the UPS guy who in turn refuses it because...well, because it is a fedex box. Once again, they have put in a rule that if you don't return the old ads within a certain window, they can refuse payment.

My question to this is...why? Do they reuse the ads? Why are they spending so much money getting them shipped back (our last shipment was 20 4-minute rolls) when it seems that the only purpose in doing so is to artificially create a reason NOT to pay people.

These issues are just on top of everything else that has been said. The quality is just horrible, with theaters, customers and even advertisers having to suffer. And don't even get me started about how they make conventional trailer change-out processes impossible by using film that has the consistency of a bowl of cereal that has been left in the sink for a week without being rinsed.

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Joe Redifer
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 - posted 08-24-2009 03:06 PM      Profile for Joe Redifer   Author's Homepage   Email Joe Redifer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Tell me about it! Even when I am just doing a single, innocent trailer change, all of the Screenvision ads make it nearly impossible to push the preceding film out of the way so I can get to the splice in the trailers where I need to remove it. They might as well make their ads out of cement.

If Screenvision is using such cheap, tacky film stock and making all sorts of excuses to come up with "non-compliance" situations so that they don't have to pay, they must be in a very dire financial situation. Obviously they are trying to spend as little as possible by fair means and perhaps even foul. Of course the actual advertiser still likely has to pay Screenvision 100% even if they didn't send out enough ads to theaters. Perhaps they could go out of business at any given moment. We can only hope. All the more reason NOT to use or advertise with Screenvision.

We need to DIGG this thread. I want advertisers to see it.

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Chris Slycord
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When I last worked with doing 35mm ads, the one time we had actually received extra for the format we'd been shorted on (which required leaving a voicemail request every day), they arrived 2 or 3 days after we'd already received a new run of ads.

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Jeremy Spracklen
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Joe is right. The advertisers do need to know about what goes on as they are the only ones that could actually put a stop to it. I'm sure that they would also like to know that we routinely remove ads that we don't feel are appropriate for our audiences WITH SCREENVISION'S APPROVAL. Do you think that they go back to those advertisers and tell them that the ad isn't being played on as many screens as they thought? Nope.

And Chris, we have the same thing. The ads that we request will come in a couple of weeks after the flight is over (one time, we had them come in the day after). That way, they can say that they fulfilled the request while at the same time making sure that we are non-complaint.

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Randy Stankey
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 - posted 08-24-2009 09:42 PM      Profile for Randy Stankey   Email Randy Stankey   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Wait a second...
Isn't it MY doddgamm screen? (The theater owner.) Am I not renting MY screen to them? Basically that makes them a broker for selling ads. Right?

What's with all this non-compliance and withholding payment bullshit? If I put one of their ads on my screen... even just one... they are paying me! If they don't, they can come get their fucking projectors and take them off my property.

They'll find them neatly stacked on the sidewalk in front of the theater doors.

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Chris Slycord
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We got around the whole thing of dealing with hoping that the ads would arrive by simply throwing in lens changes. So the ads ran in one format then there'd be a lens change to play the trailers/feature. Then when we'd lose a movie, the set of ads removed would be moved to another print so that we could get rid of the lens change.

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