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Tim Reed
Better Projection Pays

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From: Northampton, PA
Registered: Sep 1999

posted 08-23-2009 01:02 PM

quote: Tony Bandiera Jr
99.99% of your audience either doesn't even notice this or cares about it.

Maybe not, but Cathal notices it. I think it's admirable there are still operators out there who take that level of pride in their shows. I'd do the same thing if I were still a boothman. [Smile]

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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From: Moreland Idaho
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posted 08-23-2009 01:39 PM

quote: Tim Reed
Maybe not, but Cathal notices it. I think it's admirable there are still operators out there who take that level of pride in their shows. I'd do the same thing if I were still a boothman. [Smile]

I agree with the fact that this is Cathal being a good showman. But the solutions were bordering on atomic overkill, which is why I suggested these:

quote: Me
Oh, and a very simple solution if the theatre is automated and uses a cue to open the dowser..move the cue four frames up to delay the dowser the 1/6 of a second.

Or if your automation opens the dowser at a specific time from the start command, simply roll down four extra frames before you press the start button.

But from the looks of the film Cathal posted, there are bigger issues with that Dolby Digital track that I would be a lot more concerned about addressing as opposed to the 1/6 second flash of framelines. [Roll Eyes]

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Cathal Griffin
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From: Galway, Ireland
Registered: Feb 2009

posted 08-23-2009 02:22 PM

Cheers guys for all the advise.

While I can appreciate what Tony is saying about it being only 1/6th of a second worth of sound, it still bugs me & if there is an easy solution, why not fix it?

This also happens when we're playing trailers as most of our trailers come with British certifications included, we have to remove this cert and like above, end up cutting out sound.

I've tracked down a "paint marker" for myself so I'll try it out when I get hold of it.

The digital soundtrack on this clip is indeed a dudd. This is the first time and hopefully the last that we've got one like this.

Cathal

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Tim Reed
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posted 08-23-2009 02:39 PM

quote: Tony Bandiera Jr
Oh, and a very simple solution if the theatre is automated and uses a cue to open the dowser..move the cue four frames up to delay the dowser the 1/6 of a second.

Or if your automation opens the dowser at a specific time from the start command, simply roll down four extra frames before you press the start button.

You're assuming it's at the very start of the show. Those would be obvious workarounds, if that were the case.

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John Hawkinson
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From: Cambridge, MA, USA
Registered: Feb 2002

posted 08-23-2009 08:24 PM

I'm still very confused by the initial problem description: "film certs being supplied with frame markings running into the sound. With scope movies, we have to cut off frames of sound so that the markings don't appear on screen."

Is this an audio problem -- the framelines run into the soundtrack and produce noise in the analog track?

Is this a video problem, the framelines are too narrow and appear on-screen?

Is it both?

In my experience, ink on film tends to rub/flake off if its not under splicing tape. I'd recommend using foil tape.

--jhawk

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Tim Reed
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posted 08-23-2009 09:05 PM

The white (clear) frame lines of the lead-in portion are too thick. The soundtrack begins several frames before the thick white frame lines disappear, so he is torn over whether to cut at the solid black (and truncate the start of the soundtrack), or preserve the track and let the white frame lines briefly show on the screen.

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Frank Angel
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From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 08-24-2009 09:32 AM

Cathal, I would suggest that trying to paint over those white lines will result in what will look like an animated line moving on the screen because your hand can never be as steady as you would need it to be. I would use the black tape that I pointed out instead. It will be the width of those lines and because it's has a perfectly straight edge, it will not "dance" on the screen which will make less of a distraction than hand painted lines.

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Stephen Furley
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From: Coulsdon, Croydon, England
Registered: May 2002

posted 08-24-2009 02:21 PM

I think they were W H Smiths own brand, The black was not unlike India ink, quite shiny, and very dense black. They were only usable on film for a short time, a couple of weeks maybe, but they were usable for other purposes, writing labels in tape on leaders for example for much longer. They were available with either pointed or chisel tips.

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