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John Hawkinson
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 - posted 10-01-2009 05:55 PM      Profile for John Hawkinson   Email John Hawkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
While true, the new price for a 1-gang 35mm sync block is about $900; a used multi-gang sync block is under $100.

--jhawk

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Brian Guckian
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 - posted 10-03-2009 03:26 PM      Profile for Brian Guckian   Email Brian Guckian   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
One doesn't have to buy strictly a One-Gang 35mm Sync Block though? A standard Frame / Footage Counter should be adequate for normal projection room applications, and is far more affordable.

Granted, the sync block has some nice additional features as Christopher pointed out, but appears to be unaffordable. It seems to be a chicken-and-egg situation - the high price deters buyers, so there is less demand for the product, maintaining the high price.

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John Hawkinson
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 - posted 10-03-2009 08:23 PM      Profile for John Hawkinson   Email John Hawkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
The point is they are cheaply available on the used market.

What do you mean by a "standard Frame / Footage Counter"? A Neumade film measuring machine? Those things are junk.

To my mind a sync block is a standard frame/footage counter.

--jhawk

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Stephen Jones
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You could try Edge (Atlab) thats where I got mine from 6 yrs ago or any of the cinema suppliers eg Cinetech or Associated Sound Newcastle, but they can be expensive.

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Michael Hossen
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 - posted 10-04-2009 07:22 AM      Profile for Michael Hossen   Author's Homepage   Email Michael Hossen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Stephen Jones
You could try Edge (Atlab) thats where I got mine from 6 yrs ago or any of the cinema suppliers eg Cinetech or Associated Sound Newcastle, but they can be expensive.
Thanks Steve. I might give EDGE a call during the week.

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Damien Taylor
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Pfft, it will always be Atlab to me.

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Steve Guttag
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 - posted 10-04-2009 01:33 PM      Profile for Steve Guttag   Email Steve Guttag   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I dunno John...I have a bunch o people that like the Neumade machine. It certainly does not have the feel of a sync block but they often do the job just fine and can be easily mounted in the film path of many rewinders, including the Kelmar with the proper lean-back.

Steve

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Jim Cassedy
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I have a two-gang version of one of these devices that
I bought at an editing house that was getting out of the
film business and going totally digital a few years ago.

They work great, are fairly indestructable and the
large diameter sprocket wheels are easy on film.

I recently discovered another use for it too- -
Last week I was asked to measure a large auditorium
for an upcoming event. The longest tape measure I had
at the theater only measured out to 12.5ft.

So, I took a scrap trailer and stretched the film out
across the auditorium and marked the length & width
of the room with some masking tape on the film.

I then took the hunk-o-film up to the booth and ran
it through the synchronizer/footage counter to get
the measurements I needed. This was probably a lot
easier & quicker than trying to take multiple
measurements with the small tape measure I had,
which would have required making more than half
a dozen measurements to get the figures I needed.

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Tim Reed
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LOL! Good one, Jim! I'll have to remember that. [Big Grin]

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Phillip Grace
Expert Film Handler

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From: ACMI. Melbourne. Australia.
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 - posted 10-07-2009 01:53 AM      Profile for Phillip Grace   Email Phillip Grace   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
quote:
Pfft, it will always be Atlab to me.

or "Greater Union Entertainment Technology" - (G.U.E.T); or Greater Union Village Technology" (G.U.V.T.); or "Greater Union Theatre Supplies" (G.U.T.S - really - it was on the t-shirts); or "National Theatre Supplies" or "Gaumont-Kalee Theatre Supplies" or "Australasian Films Cinemachinery Division" Anybody out there know any of their other incarnations? [Wink]
Phil. [Smile]

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Ian Parfrey
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Phillip.

V.T.S (Village Theatre Supplies) - and those great carbon slide projectors.

Re the footage counter- the Aussie version manufactured here which looks identical in every sense was the Easton, made by the same company that built those hand rewinders that are everywhere in Oz. Built like the proverbial tank.

Cheers
Ian

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Phillip Grace
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G'day Ian!

And beautiful things they were! Sad them young fellers will never know the pleasure of screening slides on a bi-unial!

Also re Synchronisers. Willam Kerr, and Bruce McNaughton at Aranda made some single gang counters out of multi-gang synchronisers for bio box use. They may still have some. The Eastons are almost identical to the Moviola equipment, although I think the Moviola ones are better made.

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