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Mark Gulbrandsen
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Eric... The trick is to use bearings with rubber seals on the main drive shaft... then the grease inside won't evaporate/dry up near as quickly. Don't over tighten the belts, lube all the shafts on re-assembly with some type of synthetic oil so getting it back apart the next time will be easier. On the stabilizer and lateral guide you can only use bearings with shields but a tleast you don't have to tear down the whole dang thing to get to the bearinbgs!! Convert any old square tooth drive machines to round tooth drive as these belts allow one to run them at much lower tension then the square tooth belts, bearoings will last much longer as a result.

quote: Eric Robinson
I didn't know the vertical jitter specs were better on a SH1000, why is this?

Two reasons... You have the smoothness of the gear drive and you have the extra sprocket to isolate any uneven take up anomolies from the sound scanner.

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Dick Prather
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Bad thing about X-L soundheads were the cheap bearing retainers Simplex used. As they were also the pad roller stop they broke over time causing leaks, etc. I did stock the retainer and used several.

Also did not like the fact Simplex changed the gearbox screw pattern so SH-1000 gearbox would not work.

We still have a pair of SH-7200 (Graflex) soundheads running. Were installed in 1968 or so. Ran, repaired, and hated them.
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Gordon McLeod
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My complaint with the SH1000 compared to the XL version was that the use of that little ball bearing to lock the roller arm closed
They eventually got sloppy

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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It's not impossible to get the ball bearing out... done it quite a few times. Springs while not available off the shelf can be aquired fairly easily.

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Steve Guttag
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Gotta love something that uses the 12-24 screw...don't see them much anymore.

Put me in with the 99% of the others that prefer the SH-1000 and XL (SH-1007-SH-1028) way over the 5-Star. Keep em oiled properly...they run forever. They also reproduce sound better too....just what IS your perceived advantage to the 5-star (SH-7310 and later)?

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Robert Throop
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quote: Eric Robinson
I didn't know the vertical jitter specs were better on a SH1000, why is this?

The SH1000 type soundheads used rotary stabilizer (oil filled) flywheels on the scanning drum. I think that is a big reason.
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David E. Nedrow
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re: the SH-1000 v. 5 Star.

I stand by my statement that the threading path is awkward. Jamming the constant-speed sprocket at the top of the chamber means that it can't be seen -- at least by someone 6'4" -- without crouching all the way down. And I don't like to thread by touch. [Wink]

Don't worry, John at American Theatre Equipment has said the same, re: the repro quality. It's a good thing too, since I have two of them and wouldn't replace them just because they're awkward to work with (for me).

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Frank Angel
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So you're saying that you would opt for not having to crouch a bit over better sound reproduction for your audience? You didn't say that, did you? [Eek!]

Did you originally work for Carmike?

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Chris Slycord
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How did you read that he "wouldn't replace them just because they're awkward to work with" to mean that he would?

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Steve Guttag
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Personally, I'm wondering how the upper sprocket on the 4-star is any more difficult to deal with than the upper right idler roller on the 5-star. They are physically about in the same place. Then you have to send the film diagonally down to the lower left idler/damper arm...and then finally over the sprocket and down. Thats three things to hit on the 5-star after the drum versus the 4-star that has two things. The logic is just flawed on why the 5-star is easier to thread than the 4-star.

I can accept one prefers the 5-star over the 4-star...we all have our personal preferences...some may seem illogical but that is why they are personal. But the rationalization is another thing...the argument thus presented does not fit the facts.

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Tim Reed
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Unless we're talking a drive-in with a steep negative rake, I don't know of many projector installations that can be threaded without crouching or squatting when you get to the reproducer.

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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He hasn't found out that all of us are under 5'8" yet... [Cool]

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Bill Enos
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I'm 5'8" and still have to squat to thread the Sh 1000s, keeps the knees flexible.

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Jack Ondracek
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quote: Tim Reed
Unless we're talking a drive-in with a steep negative rake, I don't know of many projector installations that can be threaded without crouching or squatting when you get to the reproducer.
Probably doesn't apply here, Tim, but I once had a drive-in where the projector(s) sat on 2 1/2 foot concrete piers... a failed attempt to keep the beam above passing trucks. The sound head was easily reached without bending.

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Brad Miller
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quote: Tim Reed
Unless we're talking a drive-in with a steep negative rake, I don't know of many projector installations that can be threaded without crouching or squatting when you get to the reproducer.
Odd, I fail to see the problem. [Big Grin]

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