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Tim Reed
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 - posted 12-26-2009 07:45 PM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was going to suggest Monte probably meant 60 KHz. [Smile]

The relationship of voltage, current, and resistance is often difficult to comprehend at first blush. Especially if you are someone like me, who never took algebra in high school. I know I had a heck of a time understanding exactly what current is. I kept thinking two-dimensionally (for lack of a better term), as if current were an "applied" value rather than the *result* of the voltage and resistance/reactance.

Once I "let the current flow as it may" in my head, it all came together for me and I could visualize that eternal relationship.

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Steve Guttag
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I'm guessing you never got transistors, then ...you know current-controlled current-sources (ICIS).

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Tim Reed
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 - posted 12-26-2009 08:41 PM      Profile for Tim Reed   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Okay, Steve. Back to your corner.

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Steve Guttag
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I guess Jhawk was right (inside comment)

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Sean McKinnon
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 - posted 12-29-2009 10:48 AM      Profile for Sean McKinnon   Author's Homepage   Email Sean McKinnon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I was told one by a nuclear physicist (sp?) that there is no such word as "amperage" and that you don't measure "amperage" you measure "current" with the measurement of "amperes" so according to him you should say "how does the power supply regulate the current..."

I don't know if he was correct as I see a LOT of people (electrical engineers etc...) use the term "Amperage" but now everytime I see or hear it it drives me crazy and makes my brain hurt!

Can someone help me out here and settle wether or not "Amperage" is really a word? If so is it more correct to say "Measure the current" or "measure the amperage"?

Thank you in advance!

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Stephen Furley
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 - posted 12-29-2009 11:32 AM      Profile for Stephen Furley   Email Stephen Furley   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
I would say current. Certain other comparable terms are used, mileage, footage and tonage for example, but you measure the flow of water, not the gallonage. You don't seem to hear this sort of usage with S.I. units either, but somebody will doubtless think of an example of it.

To 'measure the Amperage' seems to mean to measure some unspecified property of something in Amperes; since the only thing measured in Amperes is current, and the only unit current is normally measured in is the Ampere, the two terms mean pretty much the same thing in this case.

If you ask somebody to measure the footage of a reel of film you're asking them to measure some property of it, presumably the length since you wouldn't normally measure the width or thickness of it that way, in feet. If you asked them to measure the length of it then they might give you an answer in metres, for example, or if they felt like being awkward, in furlongs, chains, cubits, or whatever.

If you just asked somebody to measure the film you could mean to measure any property of it, the weight for example, or the optical density of the base. You might not normally do this, but if you'd just been discussing the density of various film bases with somebody, and you handed them some film and said 'measure this piece', they would probably interpret this as meaning measure the density, not the length.

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John Hawkinson
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 - posted 12-29-2009 11:39 AM      Profile for John Hawkinson   Email John Hawkinson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Sean, amperage is a word.

Many people like the word current better, but amperage is a fine choice. The OED (Oxford English Dictionary) says it has been around since 1894. It is in no way ambiguous. Often when people are particular about words, it is because the choice of word matters, and some people mean one thing with one word, and another thing with a different word, and mixing them up can cause confusion. That is in no way the case here.

It's a lot like "megahertz" versus "megacycles." Or maybe "pop," "soda," "tonic," to refer to carbonated beverages like Coca-Cola -- regional variation. (And, if you're in some strange parts of the US, they refer to all such drinks, including Pepsi, as "coke." I think this is in the South, but I'm not 100% sure.)

Please note, seperately, that ampacity is yet another word, which means something different entirely ("current-carrying capacity of a conductor"), and has no convenient short substitute.

Some people may prefer to use amperage because they like to honor André-Marie Ampère, who was active in the discovery of electromagnetism theory; that seems a fine reason. Probably most people do it because that's how they were taught, but that's absolutely OK as well.

Stephen: There are plenty of other units people use for current. You might argue it doesn't count since it's just a prefix change, but plenty of people measure current in milliamperes and nanoamperes, especially when dealing with circuit design. I think some physicists who are big on CGS units measure current in Fr/s (Franklin/second)... But yes, among normal people the ampere pretty much rules the day.

--jhawk

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Mark Gulbrandsen
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 - posted 12-29-2009 11:59 AM      Profile for Mark Gulbrandsen   Email Mark Gulbrandsen   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
It's back to Wikipedia for some of you as well as Sean's Physicist friend! Or perhaps to say Current and Amperage are the same thing...

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Steve Guttag
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It would be tough to allow voltage and not allow amperage. You are comfortable using the word current since it is a nice neat word. For voltage, you have "electro-motive force" and "Potential Difference"...neither neat so Volts or Voltage it is. And with that, you have to accept Amperage. Personally, I use current.

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Randy Stankey
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The word "Amperage" is like the word "Yardage."

"Yardage" refers to a quantity of distance, measured in yards.
"Amperage" refers to a quantity of current, measured in amps.

While I would prefer to use the word "current" or, if speaking in terms of a quantity of electric current measured in amps, simply saying "amps," I often accept the use of the word "amperage" if the person is speaking in non-specific terms.

For instance, when working on the stage, you'll often hear people discussing their lighting rig and the amount of electric current being used in terms of "amperage."

e.g. - "That's way too much amperage for those cables!"

However, when speaking in specific things I expect people to use the word "current" or simply "amps."

e.g. - "How much current can those cables handle?" OR "Those cables can only handle 20 amps."

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Stephen Furley
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Fair point Steve; you're right of course. I don't have any objection to Amperage, but I would tend to say current. I suppose the most complete way would be to specify both the property you want measured, and the unit that you want the answer in, 'measure the current in Amperes' or 'measure the Amperage of the current', but that sounds a bit odd, and in this case is redundant, since by specifying either the property or the unit the meaning is clear and unambiguous; you don't need both.

As to the SI units thing, we have the exception here of course; the Ampere is an SI unit. It does seem to be the exceptio though, I've never heard of litreage, metreage, kilogrammeage for example.

Voltage is rather like the 'Auditoria' vs 'Auditoriums', which comes up here from time. I would never say 'auditoriums'; to me it sounds awful, and it's a horrible word to say, whereas 'auditoria' sounds fine, and is easy to say. The problem of course is that somebody then brings up the example of 'forums', which sounds fine to me, while 'forua' just sounds wrong. I don't really know why.

How on Earth did I ever manage to learn to speak English, without even having the benefit if knowing another language first in which things could be explained to me? I find it almost impossibly difficult to learn another language now.

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Monte L Fullmer
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 - posted 12-29-2009 12:34 PM      Profile for Monte L Fullmer   Email Monte L Fullmer   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Yet, it's interesting that Mike C. has never came back in on this thread to see if his question has been answered, which was would be the answer to his question?

Don't you love threads like this when one person starts a thread, but never returns?

-Monte

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Mike Croaro
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 - posted 12-29-2009 06:31 PM      Profile for Mike Croaro   Email Mike Croaro   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Hi Monte; Folks:

I've been letting the various answers accumulate. Thank you everyone for your various explanations.

So if I undertsand all the answers the knob controls the amount of voltage supplied the lamp.

STEPHEN WROTE:
"I would never say 'auditoriums'; to me it sounds awful, and it's a horrible word to say, whereas 'auditoria' sounds fine..."

I can';t stand it when people call the auditoira "rooms". I.E. "We saw Avatar in the large room". "What room is Indiana Jones playing in"?

Mike

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Ken Lackner
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I never heard auditoriums (sorry, that's the way I've always heard it and said it) referred to as "rooms" until I moved to Los Angeles. I found it quite common out there. It never bothered me, and if fact, I started using it myself.

For example: "I need to tune this room." (My personal favorite. [Big Grin] )

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Monte L Fullmer
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I'm a "house" guy - "What house is that movie playing in..?"

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