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Topic: No More Orange Film Cans?
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Brad Miller
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Posts: 17775
From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99
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posted 01-15-2010 01:24 PM
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A print of ‘Precious,’ 6 reels with 6 trailers, in a Technicolor box. It weighs 55 pounds.
They shouldn't be doing it like that. Some reels are filled to the brim and others are not even half reels. They should go on runtime/footage...and that should include trailers.
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Most theatre personnel carry 2 cans at a time. Currently, a theatre person carrying print of Precious carries two cans at 30 and 47 pounds. The future would be a theatre person carrying one 55 pound box, lifting with two handles
Forget the UPS safety guys, check with a DOCTOR. Carrying anything heavy in front of you IS a strain on the back. Carrying something with an easy to grasp handle that isn't too wide and is relatively balanced in weight in both hands is MUCH easier on the body. This large single box requiring the use of the back (carrying in front) is not a solution. Less weight in the boxes are the solution.
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- The boxes are cleaner. Many of the cans are very old and incl rust.
People liked the original auto-pop-apart reels at first too because they were brand new. Then they got dirty and started falling apart and people learned to hate them.
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- The cans have sharp edges. Every month we receive calls about cuts and torn clothing
The boxes also fall apart. In the last few years, I have had at least two, maybe three boxes from Deluxe that had been sent out a number of times literally fall apart and the entire print explode onto the parking lot. Had the blue PLASTIC cans been purchased that I have been preaching for years, this wouldn't be a problem for torn clothing, conveyor belt damage OR additional weight.
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- The latches on the cans are old and sometimes take long while to open and close cans.
No longer than the 4 back and forth folding and tucking of the boxes.
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- Boxes stack better, especially important in crowded projectionist rooms. Many cans are bent and uneven, and don’t stack as easily.
Which is why if Tech goes this route, they should be making 4 or 5 reel versions of these boxes and for the purpose of shipping, put those in a larger "shipping" box.
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Most UPS errors are one can shorts. Assuming a 1% error rate on a 1000 print release, 20 cans could be effected and theoretically 20 theatres. With boxes, it is only 10.
I just addressed the proper solution.
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Scott Norwood
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From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas)
Registered: Jun 99
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posted 01-15-2010 06:50 PM
One point that has not been made here that should be is that the boxes (at least, the Fox Box variant) are more difficult to work with than cans in tiny booths. An open can extends in only one direction, whereas an open box extends in four directions. Thus, the open box requires an amount of free space equal to nine times the size of the top of the box, whereas an open can requires an open area equal to twice the size of the can.
Also, the can lids provide useful space for storing additional reels. Some venues which do not show film regularly do not have reel cabinets, and reels that are about to be shown must be stored in the cans themselves in order to keep them off of the floor. This works well with ICC cans, but poorly with Fox Boxes.
All of these problems are fixable, and I am sure that TES could design a usable shipping box mechanism which would solve most of the complaints about the concept. Unfortunately, this would require a much different design than what the photographs in this thread indicate.
As for the boxes being better than beat-up cans, that is definitely true, but TES does not explain why beat-up cans are allowed to remain in circulation.
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