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Author Topic: Crazy Heart shedding like crazy Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-02-2010 05:42 PM                        I'll just swap the entire gate/shoe and see what happens. We have tons of them lying around. But then again, no issues when another print played in there for a day and the shedding followed the print into two other machines.  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Weigel Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1062 From: Edmond, OK, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 03-02-2010 07:53 PM                     quote: Joe Redifer We have tons of them lying around. That's never good.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-02-2010 11:21 PM                        Why?  |  IP: Logged Jeremy Weigel Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1062 From: Edmond, OK, USA Registered: Mar 2007 posted 03-02-2010 11:44 PM                     Usually indicates repeated problems.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-03-2010 12:22 AM                        They are from old, spare XL's that were replaced with Milleniums. We still have two XLs.  |  IP: Logged Manny Montes Master Film Handler Posts: 270 From: United States Registered: Feb 2010 posted 03-03-2010 10:35 AM                     did switching the gate/shoe fix it?  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-03-2010 11:28 AM                        I don't think I will ever be able to answer that question as I don't work again until Thursday and I am confident the print will move to a Millenium house. For now I will leave everything the same and see if the next print eventually becomes affected, though I doubt it will.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-04-2010 09:52 AM                     There is no worse gate design than the flip open 1060! I feel for you Joe... I would take a hand cranked Powers or Edison projector over one of those any day. The block that hold the intermittent shoe in place doesn't even have the same radius as the tang it screws on to... The block distorts and then the shoe cannot move freely as it should. I always felt that Strong should have given everyone new gates to replace those... I have only seen one other print do this... it was way back during the run of Out Of Africa... it was on Fuji stock... I don't think you were born yet! Mark  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-04-2010 01:52 PM                        I don't have any flip-open gates.  |  IP: Logged Rick Raskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1100 From: Manassas Virginia Registered: Jan 2003 posted 03-04-2010 05:13 PM                     I have seen this before. A very long time ago running a brand new 35mm print of "Lord Jim" on Norelco AAIIs. It was the print. We thought it might have been caused by the edge wax used at the time.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 03-04-2010 11:10 PM                     It's the print, people!! I swear I'm gonna have that made onto t-shirts and send them y'all.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 03-05-2010 12:27 AM                        I'm still not convinced that the print is doing this on it's own, though that could be the case. I think it is a combination of film stock exacerbated by someone putting too much tension somewhere. The only person who could have done that recently got another job, so I am curious as to why it is still doing this each and every show no matter what projector it plays on: The flakes get all over everything that gravity allows. After a day or so, the floor by the projector and platter must be vacuumed. It literally is falling off of the print as it casually moves around rollers. Here you can see the flakes on top of the print. Here is the cleaner after 4 days or so. It is probably doing more harm than good at this point. The onscreen image is quite dirty. The portion where the trailers run through the media pads is virtually spotless. I will probably cease and desist using the cleaner as it is not helping.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 03-05-2010 12:36 AM                     If it really was the print, wouldn't both edges of the media be showing the same damaged flakes? Why only on the edge closest to the track? When you physically inspect the print itself, do you see any other damage?  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 03-05-2010 12:39 AM                     Joe. Can you put up a macro shot of the film itself? I'd like to see if the emulsion is getting stripped off by something or if it is flaking of it's own accord. Long gouges will indicate stripping by mechanical trauma whereas random clumps of emulsion-less areas indicate emulsion brittleness, in which case rehumidifying may help - not that that is an option you have available.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-05-2010 07:57 AM                     Alco check the sprocket alignment in the soundhead it may have a padroller that is too tight tat is not a sympton of the print Look closely at the perfs on the edge which has the dark blue stain and see if there is slight nicking  |  IP: Logged

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