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Dustin Mitchell
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From: Mondovi, WI, USA
Registered: Mar 2000


 - posted 06-28-2010 04:33 AM      Profile for Dustin Mitchell   Email Dustin Mitchell   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Since I can't sleep and I'm bored:
http://www.dat.state.md.us/sdatweb/ppbooklet_2010.pdf
There's the booklet that deals with your question. Never mind that the first part of the title says 'Personal Property Return', if you read on its all about business assets and property.

Page 4 states the following:
quote:
Furniture, fixtures, tools, machinery and equipment not used for manufacturing or research and development. State the original cost of the property by year of acquisition and category of property as described in the Depreciation Rate Chart on page 4. Include all fully depreciated property and property expensed under IRS rules.
That's referring to the year YOU acquired it, not the original owner. However, I don't know if you can say the property started with a value of $0-that would be a nifty way for you to get out of taxes-would work for the person giving it to you too since they could maybe claim the difference in the book value of the asset at the time of donation and $0 as a capital loss.

On page 6 (referred to as page 4 in the document) are the depreciation tables. At a guess I'd say your assets fall into Category A and/or the 'Long Lived Assets' category. In the first case depreciation is 10% per year with a minimum assessment of 25% of the original cost. In the later apparently the State determines the rate on a case by case basis:
quote:
Property determined by the Department to have an expected life in excess of 10 years at the time of acquisition shall be depreciated at an annual rate as determined by the Department.
At any rate, as said before, talk to an accountant, they'll be familiar with the rules and procedures.

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Mike Frese
Master Film Handler

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From: Holts Summit, MO
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 - posted 06-28-2010 08:38 AM      Profile for Mike Frese   Author's Homepage   Email Mike Frese   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Dustin,

Sorry you could not sleep. I am in Missouri, not Maryland.

Again this is what the assessor told me: personel porperty used in a business will never be depreciated to zero and have a $0.00 assessed value. Assets (at least in my case he said) will maintain a assessed valuation of 10% for as long as it is used in business. This, of course, is a significant difference to how assets are handled for financial and managerial accounting.

Since, I paid no consideration for the equipment, the valuation rests on what the equipment would have cost in 1979. He said that he would accept any reasonable estimate of value. For example, he said he would be skeptical if I said $1,000.

Again, no accountant needed here unless the accountant knows the value of theater equipment in 1979.

I do have it in writing that the property manager considers the equipment mine.

Thanks for everyone's help. I am doing what the assessor wishes for me to do. Which is - assign a value to this equipment when it was put in place in 1979.

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Martin McCaffery
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 - posted 06-28-2010 08:43 AM      Profile for Martin McCaffery   Author's Homepage   Email Martin McCaffery   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Of course, it is possible the assessor is completely wrong [Wink]

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Louis Bornwasser
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 - posted 06-28-2010 01:52 PM      Profile for Louis Bornwasser   Author's Homepage   Email Louis Bornwasser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Good advice, Dustin. Louis

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John T. Hendrickson, Jr
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From: Freehold, NJ, USA
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To simplify matters and satisfy the assessor, get the list prices for the equipment for the year 1979. The manufacturers could probably help you there. Then, take 10% of that. Done.

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Scott Norwood
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Two problems with that: no one pays list, and it sounds as if the equipment was already used in 1979.

Maybe try to find some used equipment price lists from 1979?

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Dustin Mitchell
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Oops! MO not MD, bit of a difference....

As a note, even in Financial/Managerial accounting you don't always depreciate something to $0, things usually have a salvage value. Not always of course.

I don't know, don't you have an accountant to take care of your day to day book keeping/taxes? I'm just really suspicious of the assessor telling you you have to depreciate based on the value someone else bought the item for, just doesn't make sense.

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Jeremy Weigel
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quote: Mike Frese
The first lease I signed with the property manager included a list of equipment that belonged with the porperty. The property manager's son made the list as we walked through the theater. The second lease I signed 18 mos or so later did not include that list.
So you renewed the lease? Usually when you renew a lease its simply an extension of the previous lease with the exception of a change in the lease payments. Or did you negotiate a new lease?

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Richard B. Perrine
Film Handler

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From: Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio
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I ran a businees for several years...here's how the accountant told me to do it.
Use that actual cost of the item that I paid.

several times I got packages of equipment and sold off the pieces that I didn't want. The value of each piece was a percentage of the whole package....then when I reached the total paid for all...the next piece was "zero". In short you can't deduct more than you paid for it.

When I kept a piece of equipment and used it in the business ...the tax bases was the CURRENT Fair market value.
ie...what I could buy the same thing for on the day that I accquired it.

Now your eqipment.....

The Simplex XL( painted black)...SH 1000 and 1012 soundheads ....and the simplex bases are from the 1950's or older.
The Speco platter....is it painted red?....then it's probably an LP-270 and was made about the time the theater opened.
The Eprad Lamphouses and rectifiers....mid 1970's.

To get an idea of the fair market value on the stuff....email me or use the PM....there appears to be a problem with giving you the name of a site and company in this post that has current prices on equipment....so this site won't let me tell you about the other site.

I know you probably won't find any used prices on Eprad equipment. it's been a few years since I've talked to anyone at Eprad...but the company was still there then.
None of the lamps are being made....I've got one up here and did a post on it to try to sell it and the rectifier for $400. No takers.

RBPerrine

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Rick Raskin
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IMHO: Since the equipment was gifted to you, the depreciation should begin at the fair market value at the time of transfer.

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