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Justin Hamaker
Film God

Posts: 2253
From: Lakeport, CA USA
Registered: Jan 2004

posted 07-09-2010 01:44 AM

quote: Richard Hamilton
what company is it? I just want to make sure not to use them when I do work in your area

Sorry, I'm not going there. They have always provided us good service and I'm not going to sully someone's reputation unless given very good reason. This to me, does not qualify as a very good reason.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
Film God

Posts: 3067
From: Moreland Idaho
Registered: Apr 2004

posted 07-09-2010 01:32 PM

Doesn't qualify as a good reason? Leaving you with a non-functional analog reader? (If it was the digital reader I could excuse that as it is not essential for a presentation.) [thumbsdown]

Honestly, with that statement I have lost all respect for your judgment. And candidly, with that thought process (The idea of not a good enough reason, not the disclosure/non-disclosure of the tech company) if I were your GM/manager you would be fired.

What would qualify as a good reason in your book? [Roll Eyes]

If I ever pulled that shit on a theatre or screening room I would fully expect and deserve to be raked over the coals publicly.

What you seem to not be getting is that the ANALOG SOUND is an ESSENTIAL function to have up and running!!

Like I said before, and I ask you again, what are you going to do when you need to run a film with either analog-only or a damaged digital track? [Confused]

Your theatre and frankly, you too, are definitely showing an attitude of FILM DONE WRONG!!

Simply astounding.

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Richard Hamilton
Phenomenal Film Handler

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From: Evansville, Indiana
Registered: Jan 2000

posted 07-09-2010 02:11 PM

"job security" for me..hehe

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Brad Miller
Administrator

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From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall)
Registered: May 99

posted 07-09-2010 03:19 PM

I haven't paid enough attention to this thread to properly give an opinion, but what I can offer are a few facts.

Back in the 90s I managed a theater with exciter lamps and dts. When the supplier ran out of exciter lamps and had them on backorder, I tried to get some from other neighboring theaters, of which they were also on their last bulbs. So when the day came that one blew out, I made the decision rather than to cancel a small auditorium with analog only to pull the exciter lamp out of the dts house. Granted we had to be VERY careful what trailers and such were played in there to make sure they ALL had a dts track, but it bought us a little time and we didn't lose any shows...nor did the audience have any idea there was no backup because it never dropped out.

In the early 00s I was managing at another location where the analog led reader died. The tech in charge of that location had a real attitude and although he ordered the replacement parts, wouldn't let his assistant nor anyone install it. He sat on it for over 6 months. This was also a dts house. We did the same thing I had done in the 90s and got through it without one disrupted presentation.

Also in the early 00s I was servicing a location that was on a budget. All they cared about was digital sound, and when one of the power supplies blew for their exciter lamps, they refused to spend the money to fix it. This was an SDDS2000 system that I had calibrated and was having the projectionist thread "my way" (1 perf looser than the lines). They ran like that for a year or so. No dropouts.

At that same theater they also had an SDDS3000 system in the same predicament. They ran like that for a year or two as well. Just as before, no dropouts.

I am currently swapping out 35mm gear for digital at some theaters. Just before one was converted the analog reader died. With little time to conversion date, the owners decided not to bother with the backup. This was an SRD system. Have there been any dropouts? Nope!

The reason I point this out is because it CAN be done. Is it smart? No. I have to side with Tony that a theater should never be without analog sound. However sometimes reality prevails (meaning the owner's pocketbook), but for what its worth, the facts of my experience above proved that it can be done.

Disclaimer - all of these locations ran FilmGuard on their prints diligently, and they received their prints brand new. Without those two factors, there may or may not have been dropouts.

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Louis Bornwasser
Film God

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From: prospect ky usa
Registered: Mar 2005

posted 07-09-2010 03:48 PM

Guys, none of this is complicated. What we are seeing is incompetent, cheap management that lets the lazy service guy get away with murder.

I, too, "got through the night" on DDigital. At midnight I was back in the theatre and at 1 am, all was normal. (Lost analogue on Friday at 7pm.)

I cannot imagine any professional operation allowing things to slide. MY, have the Mighty fallen!!! Louis

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Justin Hamaker
Film God

Posts: 2253
From: Lakeport, CA USA
Registered: Jan 2004

posted 07-09-2010 03:53 PM

quote: Tony Bandiera Jr
Honestly, with that statement I have lost all respect for your judgment. And candidly, with that thought process (The idea of not a good enough reason, not the disclosure/non-disclosure of the tech company) if I were your GM/manager you would be fired.

If you think not disclosing the name of a company over something like this is reason to fire me, I'm sure glad I don't work for you. You're taking my feeling about not disclosing the name of the company as an indication about my attitude about film presentation. The two things are not related and you're an idiot for thinking they are.

Finally, I'm sorry I came to Film-Tech for help with a projection issue. I'll be sure not to let that happen again.

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Phil Hill
I love my cootie bug

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From: Hollywood, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2000

posted 07-09-2010 04:18 PM

I'm having a hard time figuring out who's "The Brute". Adam or Tony... [uhoh]

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Tony Bandiera Jr
Film God

Posts: 3067
From: Moreland Idaho
Registered: Apr 2004

posted 07-09-2010 05:02 PM

quote: Justin Hamaker
If you think not disclosing the name of a company over something like this is reason to fire me, I'm sure glad I don't work for you. You're taking my feeling about not disclosing the name of the company as an indication about my attitude about film presentation. The two things are not related and you're an idiot for thinking they are.

No, I think YOU obviously did NOT read what I wrote:

quote: ME, read it RIGHT this time!
And candidly, with that thought process (The idea of not a good enough reason, not the disclosure/non-disclosure of the tech company) if I were your GM/manager you would be fired.

So who's the idiot now? [Razz]

You STILL haven't even answered the most basic question, as to what make the reader is..you know if instead of arguing, you would answer the questions of people who WERE interested in trying to help you, you might have gotten help, hell I even have a spare reader I would have been willing to loan or rent to you, but with your attitude forget it. [fu]

quote: Louis Bornwasser
<snip> What we are seeing is incompetent, cheap management that lets the lazy service guy get away with murder.

I, too, "got through the night" on DDigital. At midnight I was back in the theatre and at 1 am, all was normal. (Lost analogue on Friday at 7pm.)

I cannot imagine any professional operation allowing things to slide. MY, have the Mighty fallen!!! Louis

Thank you Louis. I too have no problem with getting through a night (or a few days to get the parts in) but it is ABSOLUTELY INEXCUSABLE for things to 1: Drag on for "weeks" and 2: Think it's no big deal for a tech to leave a key component of the system dead without making ANY effort to get it fixed!!

Justin has made his position and attitude crystal clear and he should go with his last statement:

quote: Justin Hamaker
Finally, I'm sorry I came to Film-Tech for help with a projection issue. I'll be sure not to let that happen again.

I'm sure we'll miss you. [Roll Eyes]

Don't let your keyboard hit you in the ass on your way out.

quote: Phil Hill
I'm having a hard time figuring out who's "The Brute". Adam or Tony...

I vote for me. [Smile]

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