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Author Topic: Girl with Dragon Tattoo film stock Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 08-02-2010 04:55 AM                        I don't really have the luxury of taking it to the bench. But I doubt I spilled anything on it when I built it up except maybe a bit of super glue when I keep near at all times for no particular reason. I couldn't see or feel anything peculiar as it played.  |  IP: Logged Justin B. Martin Film Handler Posts: 47 From: Arlington, VA, USA Registered: Jul 2010 posted 08-03-2010 11:54 PM                    FWIW Joe, the 5-2010 issue of American Cinematographer also lists the stock as 2383. But they've been wrong before...  |  IP: Logged Ian Parfrey Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1049 From: Imbil Australia 26 deg 27' 42.66" S 152 deg 42' 23.40" E Registered: Feb 2009 posted 08-04-2010 12:10 AM                     The prints we have here in Oz are European in origin and indeed on AGFA stock. I think it's quite common for dupe negs to be shipped from the country of origin to destination countries for local printing, and this is where the differing print stocks become evident.  |  IP: Logged John Plasket Film Handler Posts: 16 From: Berks County, PA, USA Registered: Feb 2004 posted 08-06-2010 12:00 AM                    Wouldn't the stock listed at IMDB and American Cinematographer reflect what it was shot on, not what is being used for distribution?  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-06-2010 12:13 AM                     You'd think.  |  IP: Logged Connor Kirkwood Film Handler Posts: 25 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Jul 2009 posted 08-06-2010 04:26 AM                     We had pretty much the same problem with our print of Girl with the Dragon Tattoo at more-or-less the same part of the film. When it was shipped to us, the print looked great up until the last reel, which had several splices throughout the last half. My projectionist said that the splices looked well made, didn't tent and didn't stick, so he left them on. After the first brain wrap around this section, he replaced all of the original splices. After the second wrap, he inspected the entire reel and couldn't find any other issues. We ended up having to have someone looking over the print when that reel went though, and it exhibited the same symptoms that Joe described EVERY SINGLE TIME. The print wrapped three times in all, always within the last five minutes of footage before the end credits. For the record, the first brain wrap described above was the first one we'd had at our theater in over a year.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 08-06-2010 09:41 AM                        Damn Swedes!  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 08-06-2010 01:05 PM                     quote: Connor Kirkwood ....the print looked great up until the last reel, which had several splices throughout the last half. My projectionist said that the splices looked well made, didn't tent and didn't stick, so he left them on. Hmmm, sounds like they made post-release print editorial changes and the splices were done by the depots...Joe does your print have a lot of splices in that reel? I have seen the "lab splices" not sealed tight on the edges and grab the sprocket holes as it unwinds. In Connor's case I would demand a replacement reel.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 08-06-2010 01:27 PM                        No splices in mine. His print probably had splices from a previous theater who was having issues in that spot.  |  IP: Logged Justin B. Martin Film Handler Posts: 47 From: Arlington, VA, USA Registered: Jul 2010 posted 08-07-2010 12:26 PM                    quote: John Plasket Wouldn't the stock listed at IMDB and American Cinematographer reflect what it was shot on, not what is being used for distribution? AC and IMDb list both. The best and most reputable of IMDb's user-submitted info would and should come from technical references like AC. TGWTDT's shoot and print stocks are both here, although Ian is correct re: differing stocks.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 08-20-2010 03:10 AM                        After our 20th week of running it, we finally lost Girl with the Dragon Tattoo tonight. As I broke it down, I noticed the print was sticking to itself like so: Note how it is coming off of the roll in the bottom example. That's what it was doing. I have never seen this happen before. The film was very splotchy on both sides, though the splotches did not seem to project on screen. It looked fine... very good, in fact. Usually our films have streaks from the Filmguard upon close inspection, but this one just wanted to be splotchy. This means it definitely wasn't Kodak and likely not Fuji. I am 99% certain it was Agfa unless it is some sort of other cheap-ass brand of film stock.  |  IP: Logged Bruce Hansen Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 847 From: Stone Mountain, GA, USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 08-20-2010 08:12 PM                     I had a reel that was kept in a damp location for a while. It tended to stick to itself, and was splotchy looking. After keeping it in a dryer location for some time, it was better, but not "normal". It still tended to be sticky and splotchy looking. It must have picked up a good bit of moisture, and did not want to give it up easily. I wonder if the stock that was used when the last reel was printed was damp?  |  IP: Logged Randy Stankey Film God Posts: 6539 From: Erie, Pennsylvania Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-21-2010 12:51 PM                     Don't forget that Agfa has been through several bankruptcies and corporate restructurings for years, since about 2004. The company has been split into three divisions. It is little more than a multinational holding company. Agfa is a shadow of its former self. Even though you can still by "Agfa" branded film it might or might not have been actually produced by Agfa, itself. They do a lot of subcontracting and "rebranding." Some film sold by Agfa is actually made by companies like Adox. Although many European film labs favor the home team (as well they should) Agfa film might not be up to the same quality standards it once was. I'm not saying that Agfa film is bad but any company that's had as many ups and downs as they have is bound to suffer, even if only short term. Bottom line: If your print is made on Agfa film, you might expect this kind of variability. Further, if your film was poorly processed or sent to you "green" your situation could be just a symptom of a larger problem. I think Joe's latest observation confirms that the problem is do to film it is bad, somehow.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 08-21-2010 02:45 PM                        Or film that does not react well to Filmguard. But like I said, it looked great onscreen. I don't recall the print being green. Felt like any other normal new print when I got it. I did have a green print of something else recently and that didn't pose any problems... still didn't like it, though.  |  IP: Logged Connor Kirkwood Film Handler Posts: 25 From: Portland, OR, USA Registered: Jul 2009 posted 08-25-2010 10:17 PM                     We just opened The Girl Who Played with Fire, the sequel to The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo, and it is exhibiting the EXACT SAME ISSUES that Joe and I had with the first film. Multiple layers of film are trying to feed through the brain because they are sticking together, three or four layers at a time. Still looks great onscreen.  |  IP: Logged

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