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Author Topic: Quality Control at Deluxe Labs Canada Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 12-12-2010 05:33 AM                     quote: Richard P. May How much footage was affected? Close to 3 feet sbove that splice... I've had similar out of frame stuff like that, but without splices, where the picture began to weave around until it jumps out of frame. One can definitely can tell on that one that something in the printer was letting go.  |  IP: Logged Richard P. May Expert Film Handler Posts: 243 From: Los Angeles, CA Registered: Jan 2006 posted 12-12-2010 12:53 PM                     I'll still guess that the lab loaded a new roll of film, and didn't run it down far enough to get past the section flashed in threading. Green on a positive print would be equivalent to being exposed to red light. One of the flukes of mass production, and regrettably it is going to happen occasionally. That's no excuse for letting it be shipped to a customer, however!  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-12-2010 01:51 PM                     BOTH examples pictured in this thread were ultrasonic splices made by a human post-processing. There is absolutely no excuse other than gross incompetence or a complete lack of giving a shit. Who is going to start the conspiracy theories as this relates to the push for digital?  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 12-12-2010 02:11 PM                     One thing for sure is that Digital WILL cure this problem as well as put the looser QC guy at the lab out of business.  |  IP: Logged Michael Voiland Expert Film Handler Posts: 219 From: Naperville, IL US Registered: Aug 2009 posted 12-12-2010 04:10 PM                     I had a great factory splice with them jockeying the position of the framing so you watched as the film slid into and out of frame. When i was taking out that section for our screening of it the managers sat the theater. I didn't even get to finish screening the movie. I got a new reel. The labs get a big FAIL  |  IP: Logged Tom Petrov Five Guys Lover Posts: 1121 From: El Paso, TX Registered: Jan 2003 posted 12-13-2010 12:20 AM                    quote: Who is going to start the conspiracy theories as this relates to the push for digital? [Razz] I have been exposed!  |  IP: Logged Bruce McGee Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1776 From: Asheville, NC USA... Nowhere in Particular. Registered: Aug 1999 posted 12-13-2010 08:12 AM                     I imagine that the lab is being told to get that shit out the door as fast as possible. Lately, I've had several bad reels from DeLuxe. One had been QC'd for color!!  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Smith Expert Film Handler Posts: 201 From: Youngstown, OH Registered: Jan 2010 posted 01-02-2011 12:44 PM                     Gordon, respectfully disagree. That looks like light fog. I have a feeling that the ultrasonic splicers, if not used properly can fog film too. (Remember, this is done prior to printing and processing, under safelight or in the dark). I've been darkrooming for decades, and I have no idea what the hell "safelight failure" means. I've never handled ECP under safelight, but I imagine it's similar to other color print materials (like paper). You can use a dim dim green or orange safelight, with a 5W bulb, but it's not like B&W where you have a bright red or yellow sodium vapor bulb. At best you can see shadows and you're only partially stumbling around in the dark. Even the dim 5W bulbs I used would fog prints in the developer, unless you had them face down. This probably isn't an issue with a 500USGal motion picture print processor. Those tanks are pretty deep. I've heard ECP is so slow that you can shine room light onto the edge a factory fresh spool of it and it won't fog into the image area. I imagine that sloppy practice can cause the fog some of you have encountered, if someone isn't careful in cutting enough of the outer winds of the film off after flashing a roll in such a manner. I've definitely seen fog on the edges that matches that, but if I got fog on the image that bad, I'd cut it all out and call in a particularly nasty complaint. Sending shit like that out is inexcusable. You should never see any fog on the screen at a movie theatre, especially from cheap print stock. Throw a hundred feet out. It's all of twenty bucks. You can make that up skimping on the leader for the next five movies.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-02-2011 01:13 PM                     They already DO skimp on the leader! For example, on my JJs I absolutely HAVE to add 1-2 feet to the leader or the tip can't reach the takeup reel with one full revolution...and that's threading ON the countdown at the start frame (which is a big no no).  |  IP: Logged Jonathan Smith Expert Film Handler Posts: 201 From: Youngstown, OH Registered: Jan 2010 posted 01-02-2011 02:05 PM                     Brad, you're missing the point of what I am saying, that even trashing 100 feet of film to avoid fog can be made up for so the bean counters aren't angry.  |  IP: Logged Louis Bornwasser Film God Posts: 4441 From: prospect ky usa Registered: Mar 2005 posted 01-02-2011 03:38 PM                        Bean counters? I remember bean counters. I didn't like them at the time, but now that they are gone, at least what they did made sense at SOME level. Now, I look longingly backward at bean counters. Now nothing makes any business sense. louis  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-02-2011 04:16 PM                     Jonathan, you've missed the math. They have already exceeded what they can chop off of the leaders. They can't "make up the footage" in negative numbers.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-02-2011 05:06 PM                     I believe the old MPTE standard was 33' of scrap on the head and tail of a reel  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-02-2011 06:40 PM                     Yeah, that would be suitable, but I haven't seen that in 20 years (except for EK prints and other such low runs).  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-02-2011 06:49 PM                        Once in a while, a new print shows up with 100' or so of clear film at the head or tail of only one reel (for some reason, this tends to happen on reels that arrive tails-up). I usually remove most of this and re-distribute it on other heads and tails, depending on whether the print is to be run on reels or platters. But, yes, new prints normally have barely enough head and tail leader on them to run on projectors with 2000' arms or magazines, threaded with 8 or 9 in the gate.  |  IP: Logged

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