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Author Topic: Set the dwell Victor Liorentas Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 800 From: london ontario canada Registered: May 2009 posted 01-18-2011 01:09 PM                     I like to practice my speed skills at all times when threading! I pretend my life depends on a perfect fast thread up! This keeps it fun but also can help your speed in a emergency situation! Like when or if King Kong smashes his way up the balcony to get at you and you want to finish your thread and get the hell out of there!  |  IP: Logged James Falloon Film Handler Posts: 72 From: Wigram, Christchurch, New Zealand Registered: Oct 2003 posted 01-18-2011 05:21 PM                     You know you're a Projectionist when ^^^  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 01-18-2011 06:27 PM                        Manny, what is your method of threading?  |  IP: Logged Frank Angel Film God Posts: 5305 From: Brooklyn NY USA Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-18-2011 06:54 PM                        I always threaded top down and then read the posts here and gave the bottoms up a try and actually like it and have pretty much stuck with it, but to tell you the truth, it doesn't seem to make a hill-o-beans difference either way to me -- no appreciable advantage. All you really need to focus on the key issue and that is that the leader can't touch the floor; I can accompish that threading either way. And as for the "dwell" thing, if you want get really fancy and to talk digital-speak, you can say the intermittent needs to be at its NULL position. heh heh  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 01-18-2011 07:10 PM                        Why won't anyone who threads top down state HOW they keep the leader off of the floor? Do you do as I described above by locking it on the bottom sprocket or similar? I imagine if you start top-down you need to go with the gate first, otherwise you'll always be re-adjusting that top loop.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 01-18-2011 07:15 PM                        If running on reels, it's easy to keep the leader off of the floor. Just wind the leader around the takeup reel (I don't use the slot, personally), then pull some slack from the feed reel and thread the machine top-down. No film will come anywhere close to the floor. And if you have Kinotons with the "POS" buttons, it is easy to thread anywhere on the leader and slowly motor down to "8" or whereever without risking damage to the mechanism. (And if your Kinotons have electronic intermittents, they will always start from the dwell position.) The leader-on-the-floor problem is really a platter-specific issue.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 01-18-2011 07:55 PM                     Oh now lets not forget how the EXPERTS run film reel-to-reel and perform changeovers! Archived here This is probably my favorite video on the internet. Never has there been, nor ever will there be projectionists quite as shitty as these guys.  |  IP: Logged John Wilson Film God Posts: 5438 From: Sydney, Australia. Registered: Dec 1999 posted 01-18-2011 09:13 PM                     quote: Brad Miller Never has there been, nor ever will there be projectionists quite as shitty as these guys. True. It'd be hard to beat.  |  IP: Logged Joe Elliott Master Film Handler Posts: 497 From: Port Orange, Fl USA Registered: Oct 2006 posted 01-18-2011 09:39 PM                     I love the scratches they put on the print that you can see on the screen, and the fact that they cannot get it to frame properly afterwards!!! I can't see anything that they do right.  |  IP: Logged Jim Henk Master Film Handler Posts: 364 From: San Diego, CA Registered: Feb 2006 posted 01-19-2011 12:04 AM                     OWWWWW!! OWWWWW! It burns! My jaw was right down on the floor with the film and what was left of these guys dignity! Make it stop...  |  IP: Logged Jake Spell Master Film Handler Posts: 294 From: Johns Island SC Registered: May 2009 posted 01-19-2011 01:11 AM                     Come on guys!! They were just trying to show off that you don't REALLY NEED two projectors to run real to real. I mean so what if you see a little leader, and its not in frame, and you scratch the print to hell and back. Hell these guys don't even need a booth!!! Just think off all the money they are saving, because at the end of the day thats all that matters, right? But seriously, WTF were they smokin when they thought that was film done right...  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 01-19-2011 05:33 AM                     Love that video. Particularly the preachy (original youtube) comments about how much of a shocking and unspeakable tragedy this is, and the author replies quite matter of factly that these are junked prints and that it's just a bit of fun with what is essentially rubbish.  |  IP: Logged Joe Redifer You need a beating today Posts: 12859 From: Denver, Colorado Registered: May 99 posted 01-19-2011 01:11 PM                        Looks like they're going from the last reel of one movie to a different reel of another. It's funny how this gets more responses buried in a thread it has nothing to do with than legit Film-Tech videos such as the Arlington tour which have their own thread (and sometimes don't even get threads made about them). What's wrong with you people? Anyway, back to my original question: how do those of you who thread top-down keep the leader off of the floor (platter users only)?  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 01-20-2011 01:33 AM                     I thread the gate first, then everything above and then everything below. I don't really have a scientific answer for why I do it this way. I think I just like having the gate sorted out before forming the Latham loops around it. But that's just a guess. Another guess is that I think it requires the greatest degree of dexterity and so I just like to "be done with it." Another theory is that it's the area where new projectionists have the toughest time - due to the dexterity and also the issue of threading in frame - so that's the first thing I have them do over and over on the first day - just thread the gate. But these are all guesses. As for keeping leader off the floor... For changeovers, I wind the leader onto the takeup reel, leaving just enough "slack" to provide for threading - the slack does not touch the floor - it just forms a kind of "U" shape from the takeup reel. When I work with platters, I lace up the entire platter system from payout to projector and back to rewind - and then thread the projector in the same way as above. Again, leader never touches the floor. By the time I've threaded the lower half of the projector, I just need to give a gentle "tug" to engage the rewind. Once threaded, I either run-down or hand-crank down to whatever frame I need to start from. Going at my regular "I'm in no hurry" pace, I would guess it takes me about 3 minutes to thread a projector. Could I go faster? Sure. But I don't see the need. I prefer to keep myself calm. I find that I have a better projection experience that way. I can recall a thread on here years ago - the theme was similar - how do you thread up? - and inevitably (i guess) the subject of speed arose - so i got curious and started timing myself. I was self-conscious because I was so much slower than everyone else. So I worked at getting my speed up. I think I ended up threading platters in something like a minute and a half. It didn't stick, though. I don't see the need. When your days often 13+ hours, you just want to pace yourself and avoid errors.  |  IP: Logged Monte L Fullmer Film God Posts: 8367 From: Nampa, Idaho, USA Registered: Nov 2004 posted 01-20-2011 03:04 AM                     Heard that some operators would place a lined trash can to catch the leader so it wouldn't hit the floor - or a series of devices inbetween platter and machine that would allow the lead to be suspended above the floor while lacing so they can do the "top down" method.  |  IP: Logged

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