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Louis Bornwasser
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 - posted 03-13-2011 09:03 PM      Profile for Louis Bornwasser   Author's Homepage   Email Louis Bornwasser   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post 
Point taken on bad twinning.

I had some success back in the 70-85 period twinning. A balcony split is great since it leaves the main floor untouched (almost.) Lacking a balcony? Sometimes a front/back split can work with a very small cinema on the extreme left back, for example. Again, the main room is retained, full width with the idea of preserving what you can.

The business model will require 2 screens, somehow. (next door? Office space turned into a "screening room?"Remember: sound counts, too. Isolation from room to room as well as echos. Louis

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Jonathan Peirce
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There are some interior photos where you can see the long hallway type rooms. The Newton Theatre

Thanks again
JP

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Mitchell Dvoskin
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If I were to redo the multiplexing, I would pull down the center wall, and put a wall up in front of the rear "stadium seating" back section, and make 2 small movie theatres back there to support the venue when it would otherwise be closed. That would leave the slopped floor section of the main auditorium intact as one big auditorium. Of course, that would mean spending big bucks.

The problem you face as a concert venue is that even with the auditorium restored, there is not enough seating for the "big" acts, and too many seats for the small intimate performances. The owners of Roy's Theatre (or whatever they are calling it these days) down the road in Blairstown tried converting to a concert facility, and as far as I know, were not overly successful.

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Scott Jentsch
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Is there any chance of keeping two screens, but making the auditoriums smaller to correct the length problems? How wide are the two screens now?

My first reaction was that going from two screens to one would be a risky move, mainly for the reasons that have already been made. I would think it would be quite difficult to fill a 600-seat theater for just about any movie unless you were the only theater in the area (which doesn't seem to be the case). I could see how that would not apply if the theater has some historical significance and has a very loyal customer base. However, if the previous owner couldn't make it go with two screens, I think making it go with one screen would be an even bigger challenge.

My thought was by sticking with two screens, but shortening the auditoriums so that the geometry gets back into the proper dimensions, you would be able to keep the ability to offer two different movies and absorb the misfortune of a stinker release. Since the original capacity was 600, and I would imagine that the twin rooms had capacities near 250 or so, shortening the rooms might reduce your seating down to 100 in each. While that's much less than what you would have in a single screen, I think that's a tradeoff that I'd make.

Is the auditorium deep enough to go to four rooms (two in the front, two in the back)? If so, that might get you up to 240-320 range if you can get 60-80 seats in each. If you need a wider, larger space for concerts, maybe doing one larger room in front and two smaller rooms in back?

I don't think an auditorium needs to be large to be good, but the proportions need to be right and the performance of the picture and sound needs to be top-notch. Whether you have two rooms or four, the quality of your presentations can differentiate your operation, and help you compete with the much larger multiplexes. I would attend a really good 50-seat "screening room" style theater before going to an average/mediocre 200-seat theater.

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James Wallor
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quote: Jonathan Peirce
Thanks again for all the advice. The main reason we are 'un-twinning' it is to be able to present concerts. That being said, there are 2 projectors there, and if I can figure out how to have a portable screen (removable for concerts) I would LOVE to show film there.
The room we use as a theater is a lecture hall at my university, so the screen we use is a 30-foot screen on a roller that we lower each weekend for shows. We're getting a new 32-foot motorized screen to replace it, however.

The one issue we have with the manual roller is the roller wasn't made stiff enough so it's starting to sag in the center... and people love to throw popcorn kernels at the screen which are out of view for the projectionist and these can get caught in the roller and puncture more holes into the screen.

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Troy Powell
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I agree with brad miller. After hanging onto my film theatre equipment for over 2 years like an idiot I am now scraping everything out for metal since scrap metal prices are high right now. Hell I even tried to give the equipment away but to no avail.

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Robert E. Allen
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Jonathan: Theatre sized roll up screens are available. I used one in a single-screener when I had live performances. The speakers were on wheels and just rolled into the wings. Contact a theatre supply dealer.

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Robert Carnino
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Go Digital!!!

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Scott Norwood
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You really don't want a roll-up screen if you don't have to have one. They eventually sag in the middle and can get damaged easily.

The better option would be to have a complete screen frame that can fly as one piece. You then order a normal perf screen and lace it to the frame. Screen replacements are cheaper and easier with this method, and the screen stays flat. Unfortunately, the rigging is more difficult and requires a fly space that is at least as tall as the procenium.

With either system, you will need side (and possibly top) masking that can be flown in as close to the screen as possible (a few inches in front of the screen is idea). The masking fabric needs to be sound-transparent and needs to be able to mask the screen down to an aspect ratio of 1.33:1 and open as wide as 2.39:1. The masking movements should ideally be automated, but a manual curtain-rope system works for occasional one-off shows.

Loudspeakers can be flown or rolled in. A modern system requires three behind the screen, along with surround speakers mounted on the side and rear walls. The horns on the stage speakers are supposed to be about 2/3 of the way up the screen, so you might need stands for the speakers if you put them on wheels. Do not try to use the same speakers for both films and live events. This never works right and also compromises sound quality for both systems. You will also probably want a heavy black drape that can be flown in behind the stage loudspeakers to cut down on reflections that can be seen through the perf screen; this will probably also improve sound quality.

You will need a cinema sound processor and quality amplifiers. You may also need to do acoustical treatment to the room. You will have to find a cinema dealer to look at your room and advise you on this. Unfortunately, very few rooms have top-quality acoustics for both live music and film.

The good thing about screens and sound systems is that they will be the same for all types of projection systems (except for 3D, which typically requires a specific screen surface).

As for 35mm vs. D-cinema (vs. 16mm vs. 70mm): you need to decide what types of film programs you will be showing. D-cinema won't help much if you want to show classics or most art-house titles. D-cinema becomes more attractive if you need a quality video projector anyway and will be showing recent mainstream features. If you already have 35mm equipment that is in good shape, you can start with that. D-cinema or not, you will want some sort of video projector that can fill your screen with an acceptably bright image from a DVD or Blu-Ray (with guest inputs for other formats). This is important for rentals and other events (think birthday parties, video conferences for businesses, etc.). Unless you have specific programming needs that require it, don't worry about 16mm or 70mm. Regardless of projection system, be sure to have an extra porthole in the booth for some other format, should it ever be needed.

If you are just getting started, look for used equipment, with advice from your equipment dealer or someone else knowledgeable about projection and sound.

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Darryl Spicer
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I would not put one penny into D-Cinema for this location until I knew that the operation would show stability and maintain a profit margin. If you can not do a fly method on the screen try to frame it normaly with enough room for the speakers behind it then have a curtain that can cover the entire screen when you are using the stage for concerts. Not really sure how much room you will have or your seat counts but we have a theatre here local that does movies and the occasional concert.

Kentucky Theater

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Robert E. Allen
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Scott:

The roll-up I used was six years old by the time I got there and did not have a wrinkle in it. It was a perforated screen and did not move when hanging opened.

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Jack Theakston
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What amount of stage space do you have? Fly space for a screen?

I know the Albany area pretty well—there are already a number of venues down there that already do concert and art cinema. What's your niche? What makes you different? Plan around that.

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Jonathan Peirce
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Well, 6 months of renovation later, and opening night is in a couple of days! 600 seats sold out, lots of buzz, the town behind us, makes for a great opening....
I still would like to have someone local (NJ, NYC) come in and tell me what I need to show film... I have 2 35mm projectors, just not sure who to talk to as far as bookings, and projections...
Thanks
Jon Peirce
The Newton Theatre
973-383-3700

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Paul Gordon
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You should take some pictures of the gear you still have in the booth, projectors, sound processor etc... the stuff may be junk. It might be better to start fresh with good used gear considering how cheap 35mm equipment has become.

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Mike Blakesley
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Jonathan - do you have a website or a Facebook page? We want to see pics!

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