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Author Topic: Dolby "Train" Trailer Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 08-18-2011 10:28 PM                     For historical purposes... Old Trailer New Trailer Not necessarily a fair comparison since the the old one is 480p vs. 1080p on the new one, but you get the idea. AJG  |  IP: Logged Lionel Fouillen Expert Film Handler Posts: 230 From: Belgium Registered: Nov 2002 posted 08-21-2011 02:17 PM                     Here it is, as mentioned on page 2 of this discussion ! The live recording of the early Cimarron trailer in a cinema (sound only). I warn you : the quality is very poor but at least it exists. A way to remind us of how it differed from the later version. THX_cimarron.wav.zip Edited URL for archiving [ 08-21-2011, 02:29 PM: Message edited by: Brad Miller ]  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 08-21-2011 02:27 PM                     Yup, that's it! BTW that is the worst recording I've ever heard, but still that IS the original mix.  |  IP: Logged Lionel Fouillen Expert Film Handler Posts: 230 From: Belgium Registered: Nov 2002 posted 08-21-2011 02:36 PM                     Thank you Brad for your kind appreciation As some members periodically mention the existence of this or that piece of equipment known to be surviving somewhere, be it a magnetic coater, a 70mm printer, a mixing console or whatever, I'm sure we could even make our own new prints.  |  IP: Logged Connor Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Sterling, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2011 posted 08-21-2011 10:21 PM                     WOW. That was the old Cimarron trailer? It sounds so different! I thought it always had the same score. I'm thinking about syncing it with the video of the trailer and putting it on YT, but it seems like the old version was much longer.  |  IP: Logged Aaron Garman Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1470 From: Toledo, OH USA Registered: Mar 2003 posted 08-21-2011 11:23 PM                     Fascinating. Thanks for that! AJG  |  IP: Logged Connor Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Sterling, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2011 posted 08-22-2011 08:16 PM                     UPDATE: I restored the original Cimarron trailer. This is the best available version today, I think. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pguihHhnV5k  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-22-2011 10:31 PM                     quote: Lionel Fouillen As some members periodically mention the existence of this or that piece of equipment known to be surviving somewhere, be it a magnetic coater, a 70mm printer, a mixing console or whatever, I'm sure we could even make our own new prints. The more I think about this it really does seem like a goofy screwed up mess that the original mix for the THX Cimarron has supposedly gone missing. It's a good bet many of the original elements are sitting on some shelf at Skywalker Ranch. It would be interesting to create a digital file, such as a 2K or 4K DCP and/or 1080p AVC version and maybe even feature both mixes for an interesting comparison. The original mix is kind of surreal, but scary dynamic. I think it does some of the same kind of thing the Broadway trailer audio does: hit all sorts of audio frequency registers in a hair raising way. The second mix with what sounds like James Horner music is more conventional. If someone had a 70mm mag version of Cimarron still in good shape it might not be all that difficult to record the cinema processor's audio output. Just gotta have a device good enough at converting the analog audio into digital. The resulting audio could be left as multi-channel LPCM and/or encoded into other formats. My guess is there's no HD digital version of Cimarron available anywhere. I can't recall ever seeing an anamorphic 480p DVD version either; just rips from Laserdisc. The best thing would be film-scanning the original elements. The newest motion picture film scanners are all built to scan 35mm. I'm not sure if the 65mm/70mm capable ones at MPI were custom built. It would suck to use an old, wobbly telecine setup (and it would probably pose a greater danger to the film trailer). Honestly, this is another one of those problems that could probably be solved very quickly with a couple phone calls between folks at Lucasfilm and THX.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 08-22-2011 10:52 PM                     I have a 70mm mag version of the original Cimarron from Northpark somewhere. Whenever I find it I will record it as discrete 6 channels.  |  IP: Logged Lionel Fouillen Expert Film Handler Posts: 230 From: Belgium Registered: Nov 2002 posted 08-23-2011 05:34 AM                     Good job, Connor ! I see you edited out the Dolby Digital logo. Maybe you could replace it with the Dolby SR logo that was originally there in the early Cimarron. It's the classic Dolby Stereo SR "Spectral Recording" logo.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-23-2011 07:32 AM                     I don't remember there being any Dolby audio format logo at all on the front of the 70mm version of Cimarron. Edit: I don't remember the original 35mm version having an audio logo on the front of it either. When I saw Thelma & Louise at the Loews Village Theater VII in New York the theater played a Dolby SR snipe and then followed it with a 35mm version of Cimarron. The original THX Grand trailer didn't have any mention of audio formats either. Grand trailers were later produced with the note "Recorded in DTS Digital Sound" placed at the end along with the original Digital Experience logo. THX made at least one run of the Grand trailer personalized for Dolby Digital. I remember the Carmike 8 here getting some of those by mistake. I'm pretty sure Tex was the first quad format THX trailer.  |  IP: Logged Lionel Fouillen Expert Film Handler Posts: 230 From: Belgium Registered: Nov 2002 posted 08-23-2011 08:27 AM                     The 70mm Cimarron had the traditional Dolby Stereo logo, like for A-type. I remember it very well. Which suddenly makes me wonder whether it was recorded in A or SR. The 35mm was definitely SR.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 08-23-2011 08:41 AM                     I would have to see the 70mm version again to be sure. When I saw Far and Away at the General Cinemas Sandy Springs theater they played the THX Cimarron trailer as the very first thing in the trailer pack. If it had a Dolby Stereo logo on the front of it the logo was cut off somehow.  |  IP: Logged Mark Lensenmayer Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1605 From: Upper Arlington, OH Registered: Sep 1999 posted 08-23-2011 08:51 AM                     I have a 35mm Cimarron trailer and it is labeled as being SR.  |  IP: Logged Lionel Fouillen Expert Film Handler Posts: 230 From: Belgium Registered: Nov 2002 posted 08-23-2011 09:26 AM                     Bobby, it's possible that this cinema had a lousy screen cutting out a portion of the image. It was the case in a multiplex of my city, which was a conversion from a former single-screen "picture palace from the golden era" done in the late 1970's. In the big auditorium of the new multiplex, the ceiling was low and there really was a lot of space on the sides of the screen. When they installed 70mm and THX in 1989, they put a new screen (floating - no screen masking) much larger than it should have been: 13x5 meters. Sorry I won't convert to feet, but anyway the ratio is 2.6 which they used as a "one-size-fits-all" for both 70mm and 35mm Scope. Flat 35 though was projected correctly. It was still OK with 35mm Scope, but in 70mm, a big part of the image was cut out vertically. I remember that when the Cimarron trailer played, the projectionist was doing his best to reduce the loss of important visual informations but couldn't do anything to avoid it. When the image was correctly centered, the Dolby logo and copyright notice were missing from the screen. When the image was aligned to avoid that loss, it's the window with the hand at the beginning which appeared almost in the upper half of the screen. Terrible !!!!  |  IP: Logged

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