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Author Topic: Philips FP3 or Marin MP30 Simon Wyss Film Handler Posts: 80 From: Basel, BS, Switzerland Registered: Apr 2011 posted 09-04-2011 01:34 PM                     Totally agree. Philips is a nice apparel. Bought mine for 500 Swiss Francs, cast column, tripod, magazine, transformer, fresh wiring, and couple spare lamps.  |  IP: Logged Cameron Glendinning Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 845 From: West Ryde, Sydney, NSW Australia Registered: Dec 2005 posted 09-04-2011 05:38 PM                     I have a mp 30, which has a cinemacanica 1.6 k lamphouse added, stereo cell and now a red led star light. Its reliable and does a great job but is no kinoton/ philips level of engineering. As far as I'm concerned it will be of no value within 12 months! One non modified mp 30 went for US$1700 on ebay reciently (within the year).  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 09-05-2011 01:09 AM                     quote: Rob J. Buskop What is nice, is to go to youtube and see the video called: The Philips FP3 35mm Projector. Rob, this is my machine and I am very happy with it. I paid about $2000 but it is in amazing condition, came with both the cast base and the tripod, and a 6000ft and 2000ft magazine. My machine came from Norway. It has a metal tag on the front which I think means it was used in the Norwegian defence force, which might explain the good condition. If you can give me any more information about these machines I would appreciate it.  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 09-05-2011 05:23 AM                     Also this is the way someone has modified my machine to use 120V 500W BCK bulbs, by making a holder that mimics the old base so it can fit in the original lamphouse. Is this similar to your conversions?  |  IP: Logged Rob J. Buskop Expert Film Handler Posts: 111 From: Rotterdam, the Netherlands Registered: Aug 2005 posted 09-05-2011 10:21 AM                     Yes, that's rather similar to my light conversion for the FP-3. The difference is in the choice of lamp where I used the well known 36V 400Watt halogen bulb. I use exactly the same "base construction" to maintain the originality and practicality of being able to very simply take the lamp unit out. With the lamp I use, I make two rod extensions from the upper fitting, going down to hold a round platform low into the lamp housing, on which I used to install a quality socket for the small halogen lamp. Of course the power supply and it's connections had to be modified to accomodate 36V at 11+ Amps.light unit. Anyway, you got yourself a beautiful piece of machinery there, my friend! Hats off to you!!  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-05-2011 02:25 PM                     Compared to many other machines the MP30 has rettained a high value I always want to get a pair of them for rentals but the price is a bit steep for the limited demand  |  IP: Logged Simon Wyss Film Handler Posts: 80 From: Basel, BS, Switzerland Registered: Apr 2011 posted 09-10-2011 04:07 AM                     Rob, it might be valuable to compare informations. Michael Rogge has this list where he writes: Around 1932 Philips obtained the rights to J.Nitzsche projectors. I have a book , Kniha o filmu by Emil Holan, Praha 1938. There are a number of illustrations in it of Philips projectors, namely model IX with front motor and lamp house from America, among other products. What I mean to say is that we don’t know history exactly. Jan Kotte was not even 21 when he joined Philips. He’d have been Superman in developing cine machinery within a few years without any experience. It’s that I don’t believe the stories from the 1930s. Arri say it was Erich Kästner who developed the Arriflex before 1937. Kästner was also around 21 when hired by Arnold & Richter. The famous camera, in my eyes, is not of German origin but rather a licence product from Bell & Howell’s Rockwell Engineering Laboratory of Chicago. There is a patent on a claw film movement issued for Albert Howell from 1931. The drawing shows a mechanism very similar to what was employed with the Arriflex. Nothing against Mr. Kotte. It’s just a bit too perfect of a story how it’s told. Mr. Kästner wouldn’t have admitted either that he only took part in an industrial project. He gave his name for the events. Yet, the machines don’t swindle.  |  IP: Logged Julian Baquero Film Handler Posts: 18 From: Bogota D.C., Colombia Registered: Aug 2011 posted 09-23-2011 10:24 AM                        Hi to everybody. I finally had the opportunity of taking a look at this two Philips FP3. Now I have to make an offer for them. They are not in the best condition, but I think they can be put to work, at least one and use the other for spares. They have been stored at least 5 years and some parts already have some rust. One of them has no power cable, the other has cable but no plug. There are 2 x 2000 ft magazines. They don't have any lens. I was told the lamp is Halogen 1000 Watts but I couldn't take out the socket, I think they still have the original incandescent bulb (can someone comment on this) I am posting pictures. Please any advice on condition and price is welcome. more pictures here: Flickr  |  IP: Logged Emiel De Jong Film Handler Posts: 48 From: Geldrop The Netherlands Registered: Mar 2007 posted 09-25-2011 03:48 AM                     Julian, for me it looks like all the important parts are there. However the lampholder has been modified, this is a picture of an original one. Also the backing mirror for the lamp has been removed, this is not so much of a problem as the later models didn't have one anyway. These machines definitely need some work...  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-25-2011 09:19 PM                     The main thing is they are all there. No missing parts that I can see. Are the colums included as I don't see those? If not yopu can probably rig something in theor place but these will not sit on a table as the magazine hangs down below the bottom of the projector housing. I would definately go with those over the MP-30. Phillips will have a far superior intermittent than the doggy MP-30 has. The MP-30's I serviced were extremely unimpressive from a machanical quality standpoint. Mark  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 09-26-2011 03:11 AM                     As others have said, these machines are in rough shape, but they are complete. This is the best way, as the machines subpar condition should give you some leverage on the price. These would be a good project to restore if you were so inclined. Now I wish I had another one! Also, these have big HEAVY suitcase like power supply/rectifiers, do they come with these, as the projector requires about 3 different voltages 120 for the motor/lamp, 12 for the framing and pilot lamps and 5DC for the exciter. approx. The wire you see coming out of that socket on the right is the photocell output. The bigger Jones type connection on the left is the power umbilical.  |  IP: Logged Julian Baquero Film Handler Posts: 18 From: Bogota D.C., Colombia Registered: Aug 2011 posted 09-26-2011 11:23 AM                        Thanks guys for the feedback. The machines need serious work. Emiel I suppose the lack of mirror lowers light transmision, I was told the bulbs are halogen 1000 watts, that should me more than OK for home use. Marc the stands/columns are there, I didn't take pictures from them, they were badly stored and the are in bad shape rust and pigeon carp all over. I really don't like them much, because the are to big and heavy, they also limit the portability, they could be replaced with large wood tripods. Damien they don't have any suitcase or rectifier, I thought this work straight out of the wall. Should I have to worry about this? This week I will make my offer which will be rather on the low side, I hope I can get a good deal and buy both of them.  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 09-26-2011 04:25 PM                     They did make a wooden tripod for these but I've never seen one in person. Considering their weight you should grab the metal columns!! Having them also keeps these machines all original. Just get the colums sandblasted and then re-paint them. Making a regulated DC supply is very easy using voltage regulator integrated circuits. If you have a friend that is savvy with electronics that shold be easy. The pilot lamps do not need to be regulated... they may last longer though. I to would bid low considering the corrosion... but they look to be all there and that is most important. Did you turn them over by hand to see that it all turns smoothly? Mark  |  IP: Logged Julian Baquero Film Handler Posts: 18 From: Bogota D.C., Colombia Registered: Aug 2011 posted 09-26-2011 08:23 PM                        Hi Mark, if I make a deal I will take the columns at least to have all the original parts as possible. I did turn the parts and they rotate easily. I think I can handle making the rectifiers if I have the right specs at this time I know nothing about them.  |  IP: Logged Damien Taylor Master Film Handler Posts: 493 From: Perth, Western Australia Registered: Apr 2007 posted 09-27-2011 05:58 AM                     The Framing lamps are 6V/0.5A AC and the exciter is 6.5V/4.8A DC I used to have the motor voltage and lamp, I ***think*** they are both 120AC but i'll have to check. I have a manual for these but it's very long. I could scan some important bits like schematics etc if you like. There should be a metal plate schematic inside the back door! They made a stock metal tripod for these too. It's not as good as the pedestal, and I only use mine occasionally. The pedestal has the bonus of the fact it originally came with the power cable that goes into the back of the projector and leads to a terminal block inside a hatch in the base where you can wire in all your own power supplies. Also my backing mirror is cracked, but many of the globes you will probably use already have reflectors inside them. Maybe the FP3 Pro Rob can help me here, when did they switch from the matt grey paint seen here to the glossy gold/sandstone my one has?  |  IP: Logged

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