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Brad Miller
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 - posted 12-30-2011 07:45 PM      Profile for Brad Miller   Author's Homepage   Email Brad Miller       Edit/Delete Post 
quote: Sean Weitzel
I can never figure out the best way to safely get a loop running without it shredding or getting in the way of the lens.
I set this up for Telluride, although only the projectionists used it. The rollers are not in the way of normal projection. (The lower roller exists to pull the film out of the way of the lens.)

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You must have enough length at the bottom to almost touch the lower takeup shaft so that weight will pull the film out of the soundhead. Don't make the loop tight!

This is also the ONLY way to run a "scratch test". Without guidance rollers, trying to run a scratch test with a loop is a complete waste of time.

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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quote: Jim Henk
....I put a new head to soundhead interface gear on a head I have, and pounded it onto the shaft. Mentioned it to someone, and was properly berated for pounding anything onto anything. May have done damage.....
Wonder who berated you for that one? [Roll Eyes] [Big Grin]

On topic, Jim, I disagree with your position for one main reason:

So far, the vast majority of "wannabe techs" of the current generation I have encountered have the attention span of a gnat. They are unwilling to TAKE THE TIME to learn how to do ANYTHING properly. They are too quick to dive in and start fucking with settings without a clue as to the effects and how they affect other things (like possibly blowing out speakers, etc.)

Without actually meeting someone face-to-face and assessing their background and capabilities it is very dangerous to give advice over the internet. Would you trust a doctor who is getting instructions on your gallbladder operation via a computer?

Also, a lot of the unwillingness of technicians to share their knowledge is from the simple fact that the knowledge was gained by a lot of time, hard work and financial outlay. The current attitude of entitlement rampant with the current generation is another factor in this.

The services of a good technician are like any other commodity, it has an actual cash value and should not be arbitrarily given away for free..(unless said tech is independently wealthy and retired or has too much work to handle.)

Finally, would you be willing to tell me how to do your job? [Big Grin]

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Jim Henk
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quote: Tony Bandiera Jr
Finally, would you be willing to tell me how to do your job?
Actually, gladly. Of course, in my engineering support field, we work with transparency as a goal. That way, the developers and management who work our tools and services understand how each of our work compliments each other. We work hand and glove, each understanding the big picture, and everybody's productivity rises. Of course the company is tanking because they make phones that *aren't* iPhones, but that's another story. Look, I'm working a side business very hard right now so that I can even say goodbye to Engineering (and having to answer to *any* boss) once and for all. Personally, I'd never be so callous as to experiment on somebody else's stuff. But I'd *love* to experiment on *my* stuff. Knowledge is terrific.

But I digress.

Yes. The techs, on the whole, have worked extremely hard, and put out a lot more personal energy and resources than just mere money. And they deserve tremendous respect for that. And yes, eager-beavers screw things up. In other fields, (engineering included) grabby hands are terminated. (Did you *never* screw something up on something that you shouldn't have been? C'mon... never??? Okay, you can stop with the private guilty grin now)

Of the flip side, when things go south, the operator on duty (assuming that there is one) is expected to *fix it*. Now. Otherwise, why are we paying the operator instead of some minimum wage kid to babysit the machines once in a while when he's not inventorying cups? (Don't say it... that's exactly what happens... I know. Gee, maybe lack of perceived value was at least one of many factors - possibility?)

Management wants them out of the booth while the tech is there? Then no complaints are warranted when the show has a bad hair-day. But anyone who blocks their own people from gaining knowledge that will assist them in their job, in any field, needs therapy and our pity.

Do we, or the techs really need to add to all that?

Again, somebody wants to learn. People don't work out no matter what you're doing. Is it wise to tell them no, because others didn't do so good? Or do you point them in good directions, or maybe even interview them, check references, etc. if you're in a potential teaching position yourself. (And if they don't work out, you move on to someone else who will, if you want to.)

How would you feel if you asked a question here, and someone said for you to go away, little boy - call a professional. Hell would have no such fury...

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Tony Bandiera Jr
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Ok Jim, I'm gonna go for the jugular on this statement:

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Actually, gladly. Of course, in my engineering support field, we work with transparency as a goal. That way, the developers and management who work our tools and services understand how each of our work compliments each other. We work hand and glove, each understanding the big picture, and everybody's productivity rises. Of course the company is tanking because they make phones that *aren't* iPhones, but that's another story.
No, your company's tanking BECAUSE of the transparency. Why do you think Apple has become so dominant? Because they closely guard their proprietary software and apps. It took a long time for them to allow other developers into the fold, and they are closely monitored. Love or hate them, Apple's got a pretty sound business model in regards to financial stability.

quote: Jim Henk
... And yes, eager-beavers screw things up. In other fields, (engineering included) grabby hands are terminated...
So why should the cinema tech field be any different?

quote: Jim Henk
...(Did you *never* screw something up on something that you shouldn't have been? C'mon... never??? Okay, you can stop with the private guilty grin now)
More times than I care to count..and guess who had to fix it? Yep, I did, and often on my own nickel. Now if you were running a theatre and one of your wannabe techs fucked something up and lost you shows or damaged equipment would you be smiling about it?

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Of the flip side, when things go south, the operator on duty (assuming that there is one) is expected to *fix it*. Now. Otherwise, why are we paying the operator instead of some minimum wage kid to babysit the machines once in a while when he's not inventorying cups? (Don't say it... that's exactly what happens... I know. Gee, maybe lack of perceived value was at least one of many factors - possibility?)
Not possibility..certainty.

quote: Jim Henk
Management wants them out of the booth while the tech is there? Then no complaints are warranted when the show has a bad hair-day. But anyone who blocks their own people from gaining knowledge that will assist them in their job, in any field, needs therapy and our pity.
Management is management for a reason, and they are well within their rights to set whatever policy they want. I can tell you after working for RCA Service for many years the main reason management doesn't allow operators in the booth during tech calls is because they KNOW for a fact that some (most) of them will suddenly become "hands on" in the worst possible way.

As a projectionist, my job was to present the show as management orders. If they want me to start early, start late, run the reels out of sequence, run the film backwards, then I am expected to follow the order whether I like it or not. It was not my position to question it. As a tech, my job was/is to make the repairs or adjustments as needed, to point out any potential problems and let management decide if they wanted those issues fixed. If not, I note it on the service report and they sign it. If it goes tits up later despite my advance notice, then they are on the hook for any costs/liability involved.

I agree that no complaints would be warranted, but again, that is management's call, not yours or mine as the technician.

They need our pity and therapy? Don't be a drama queen. [Big Grin]

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Again, somebody wants to learn. People don't work out no matter what you're doing. Is it wise to tell them no, because others didn't do so good? Or do you point them in good directions, or maybe even interview them, check references, etc. if you're in a potential teaching position yourself. (And if they don't work out, you move on to someone else who will, if you want to.)
Nothing wrong with wanting to learn at all..and you seem to have lost sight of the fact that I have offered to teach you on dealing with your own equipment when you're ready. And in your case I have the benefit of some knowledge as to your technical skills and willingness to learn, so I have no qualms with teaching you pretty much anything.

Now as for someone on this forum who I never met, how would I, or anyone else for that matter, "interview" them or check their references?

Any individuals I have taught in the past were screened and tested before I invested the time and energy in teaching them, and they have all worked out quite well.

And in your case, as you pointed out, we're talking about your personal screening room, not a place of business. HUGE difference. Why do you think I have invested so much money into my personal screening room equipment? I did it so that I am free to experiment and develop AMX code and new configurations for my clients without messing up their stuff.

quote: Jim Henk
How would you feel if you asked a question here, and someone said for you to go away, little boy - call a professional. Hell would have no such fury...
An ill-thought out comment Jim...mainly because I have enough contacts in the industry, many of whom are here on this forum, who know (or know of) me and my experience and qualifications.

And I haven't been a little boy for over 40 years. [Big Grin]

I am glad you brought up this discussion though..

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Richard Hamilton
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Tony,
Well said...and you saved me a bunch of typing.

Rick

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Jim Henk
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I think that all sides have been fleshed out really well. So no response there.

But naw, the iPhone is just so much cooler, so that's what has grabbed the public's imagination, leaving my company with few options. That's a marketing and an original idea thing.

No, proprietary intellectual property isn't shared with other companies. That'd be silly. But that's because of copyright infringement stuff, not job security. But inner processes? All common knowledge. And the tools used? I can give you URLs to tutorials all over the place. Nothing secret there. Utilization of those tools inside the company? Documented, published, and taught to all new engineering staff. And one company's usage is fundamentally the same as another's, with some customization as appropriate. It's why I've worked basically the same job tools in banking, manufacturing, travel industry, and lots more. Just wish they'd stay in business long enough for me to put pencils in my desk.

Jugular? I'm going off in a corner and sob now. Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!! I have no self-image. [Big Grin]

BTW: Almost have enough of a system to get taught on now. Good timing, huh?

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