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Kirk Futrell
Film Handler

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From: Nashville, TN / U.S.A.
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posted 10-05-2012 10:12 AM

Thanks, I would love to show the DCP, but that would mean we would have to buy a DCI compliant digital projectors first. We just just installed Dolby digital sound in one of our theatres for the first time 2 years ago, so we are a bit behind the curve. Though if we could show a Blu-Ray of it, we do have a nice non-DCI digital projector.

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Jack Theakston
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posted 10-05-2012 11:16 AM

Richard is correct—all of the studio films from the '50s were done Polaroid, not anaglyph.

Kirk, I'm not sure how you might go about running the Blu-Ray in 3D without a projector that can run it that way (and if you were going to do it, you'd need a silver screen for Polaroid). Perhaps someone here will know, but is it possible to take a 3DBD and run it as an anaglyph? In my opinion, that would be much more preferable to the faded 35mm.

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Don Furr
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posted 10-05-2012 06:48 PM

If the anaglyph print is faded, there is no way you'll get the 3D effect with anaglyph glasses. It isn't gonna work...sorry.

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Ramon Lamarca Marques
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From: Edgware, England, UK
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posted 10-06-2012 06:07 AM

I saw an anaglyph print in London 5 years ago and it was dreadful, probably the worst film presentation I have ever seen. The print was faded and we were left with just a dark, blurred image. It should have never been screened. The Aero Theatre will be showing the new digital 3-D restoration soon.

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Mark Hajducki
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posted 10-06-2012 09:09 AM

A few years ago I showed a print of The Flesh and Blood Show. It was made with a one reel 3D sequence.

For some reason best known to the BFI the (filmed as) 3D reel came as single eye black and white (the other reels were colour and not in too bad condition).

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Don Furr
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posted 10-06-2012 01:55 PM

That IS strange Mark. It was originally a anaglyph sequence reel but if that was an original release print it would have been totally faded and wouldn't have worked anyhow!! I guess it was just as good in B&W instead of red Eastman anaglyph.

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Mark J. Marshall
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posted 10-06-2012 10:10 PM

The dual strip 35mm print that I've seen has one eye considerably brighter than the other. I'm sure that won't be the case with the digital version or with the 3D BD, so I'm looking forward to seeing it that way.

Oh, and by the way...

quote:
Just curious- - when it was originally released in the
1950's, was it printed this way (on color stock) too, or
were there simply 'left' & 'right' black & white prints
that were projected through colored filters on the
port windows, as was commonly done with polarized 3D
at that time?

What the heck are you talking about? The filters were polarized, but not colored. Was that a mis-type?

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Kirk Futrell
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posted 10-08-2012 10:05 AM

quote: Jack Theakston
Kirk, I'm not sure how you might go about running the Blu-Ray in 3D without a projector that can run it that way (and if you were going to do it, you'd need a silver screen for Polaroid).

Without looking at the Blu-Ray specs, I was hoping that it might have a anaglyph 3D version on the disc or included on another disc. Then we just give out the paper glasses.

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Jim Cassedy
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posted 10-08-2012 12:13 PM

quote: Mark J. Marshall
What the heck are you talking about? The filters were polarized, but not colored

It was poor syntax on my part that's leading to your confusion.

And I wasn't talking about polarized 3D.
I was asking about the prints themselves.

Yes, many of the 3D films of the 1950's used
polarization. But there was such a thing as
anaglyphic projection where the film was shown
through colored (but NOT polarized) filters hung
on the projection ports.

I found a set of them (colored filters) in an old theater
I worked at. I've got a picture of them here somewhere.

And I'm not sure about this, but I'm pretty sure that
it was cheaper to implement, since theaters didn't
need to go through the expense of installing a special
screen, like they needed to do for 'polarized' projection.

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Jack Theakston
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posted 10-08-2012 02:15 PM

quote: Jim Cassedy
And I'm not sure about this, but I'm pretty sure that it was cheaper to implement, since theaters didn't need to go through the expense of installing a special screen, like they needed to do for 'polarized' projection.

Having seen some of the prices from that period, if you factored in the over-sized magazines, Selsyn motors, new lenses, etc., and given that most places were installing new widescreens anyway, the silver screen was not the largest part of the negative costs (which you were supposed to recoup in shows anyway). To present an inferior anaglyphic presentation (dual-strip anaglyph = very dim) would have been detrimental to a theater's box office receipts, given the number of competing theaters doing it right.

I don't doubt that some theater may have tried this at some point, but my guess is that you could probably count the number of installations like this in the U.S. on one hand.

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Kirk Futrell
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posted 10-26-2012 02:31 PM

I also posted the below under the topic of an in depth look at at creature from the black lagoon, in hopes no one else will make the mistake we did and print our 3D glasses wrong.:

We are about to show the anaglyph version and never got a clarification from anyone we asked which eye was red and which was cyan, so we had 600 printed with our logo with Left Eye Red/ Right Eye Cyan which is the most common way anaglyph 3d glasses are made today, according to an American Paper Optics representative. Unfortunately, the print is made for glasses to be Left Cyan / Right Red. So we will just tell everyone to fold their glasses with the logo on the inside. For what it is worth, besides the kind of ugly yellow over all color you get, and the headache the effect of the 3D looks great. So I would say this universal print is in great shape.

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Frank Angel
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posted 11-05-2012 10:24 AM

Universal does have some good saturation color prints of CREATURE, but...and it's a big but...they are not aligment corrected as is the restored digital DCP. For this BluRay/DCP release they did align EACH frame so that the vertical as well as the horizontal misalignment of the two eyes is not corrected. Universal also has an anaglyphic print of IT CAME FROM OUTER SPACE, also made from old negatives that have this misalignment problem. It's all due to the fact that the O-negs had shrinkage over over time. When they strunk the anaglyphic composite in the late 70s, the negs were already 20 plus years old.

The digital release required the technicians to align each eye so there was no misalignment. Robert addresses that issue very thoroughly in the article posted below.

I ran the anaglyphic CREATURE and ICFOS prints together as a double bill in the mid-80s. The headaches and complaints after watching 3 hours of vertically misaligned 3D which causes patrons' eyes balls to go bouncing around in opposited directions up and down in their sockets made some people actually sick to their stomachs. It was a presentation nightmare. DON'T DO IT unless Universal can verify that their anaglyphic prints are struck from the corrected 4K digital masters made for the DCP/BluRay re-release. If the anaglyphic print Universal is offering is made from the OLD anaglyphic neg,forgedaboudit.

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