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Author Topic: Home speakers vs. Cinema speakers Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 10-18-2012 03:04 PM                     Jim, Jim, Jim, are we not paying attention? If you check out the link I gave you those speakers are specifically designed for the short throw small rooms. And remember that my room at UCI (which you have heard if I recall correctly) is using their standard line and it is only a 35' throw from the screen to the back row. I would expect that the new line in my link would work even better. Mike, trust us, you're gonna love them. I swear that they make the former king JBL's sound like Radio Shack specials.  |  IP: Logged Paul Vollmers Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sister Lakes, MI, USA Registered: Jul 2001 posted 10-19-2012 10:12 AM                     When you mention QSC speakers for small throw rooms, what model speakers are you talking about. My room is 21ft X 24ft screen is 6ft High X 15ft wide.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 10-19-2012 12:31 PM                     Paul, click on the blue "QSC" in my second post.  |  IP: Logged Paul Vollmers Expert Film Handler Posts: 161 From: Sister Lakes, MI, USA Registered: Jul 2001 posted 10-19-2012 05:20 PM                     Tony, just after I posted the QSC speaker question I saw the click spot and looked at the speakers........sorry. Looks like nice speakers.....wounder where I could find some used speakers?  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 10-19-2012 06:52 PM                     Paul, with the line in my link being a new addition you will not find them used. In fact, I am willing to bet that unless you're lucky enough to find a smaller cinema that recently installed QSC's and is closing down you're not going to find any of their line used. But, the good news is find a dealer who you are friendly with and have them price them out for you..you will be pleasantly surprised.  |  IP: Logged Matthew McBride Film Handler Posts: 97 From: Tupelo, MS USA Registered: Oct 2011 posted 10-19-2012 08:33 PM                     Tony, when I saw you posted that link, I instantly fell in love with those speakers. I hope the price is reasonable too. I have had serious internal debates on how to go about to getting professional audio equipment without breaking the bank. It seem like these are the right choices  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-19-2012 09:14 PM                     In a small home theatre...from the QSC line...consider something like this http://www.qscaudio.com/products/speakers/dcs/dcs_sc412.htm  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 10-22-2012 06:33 PM                     Not bad Steve, but I'd still prefer a 3-way design. And the dispersion pattern on that speaker isn't what I'd want for a short throw room.  |  IP: Logged Matthew McBride Film Handler Posts: 97 From: Tupelo, MS USA Registered: Oct 2011 posted 10-22-2012 10:31 PM                     I do like those Steve, but it seems like those only have the bi-amp option. Now I am a little on the ignorant side when it comes to professional audio, but it seems like when you bi-amp speakers you need that much more power? I was hoping to do 1 amp per two speakers with the exception of the center and sub, which I figured to bridge mono for those. But maybe this isn't the best config? This is slightly off the original topic though.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 10-22-2012 11:36 PM                       Regarding amps; you need more channels, but not more power per amp. QSC does sell 4 channels amps and crossover modules that would be very good price and space wise.  |  IP: Logged Steve Guttag We forgot the crackers Gromit!!! Posts: 12814 From: Annapolis, MD Registered: Dec 1999 posted 10-23-2012 05:54 AM                     And why would you prefer 3-ways Tony...most sound worse than 2-ways...particularly for cinema application?  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 10-23-2012 06:53 AM                        So, where does one go to listen to cinema speakers (other than the cinema)? I've been toying with the idea of upgrading the speakers in my own screening room for a while, but haven't done anything yet. This isn't like buying home stereo speakers, where it's fairly easy to find a dealer who will let customers play a familiar record/CD on different speakers in a controlled environment, and where most speakers are small enough to be easily exchanged or re-sold if the result in one's home is not satisfactory. I've heard lots of cinema speakers in cinemas, but I have a hard time correlating sound quality with speaker brand/model. There seem to be more differences in the room and system setup than in the loudspeakers themselves. I've heard both good and bad sound in theatres with Altec, JBL, and Electro-Voice speakers. I've had relatively little exposure to the QSCs (they are too new for most of the places where I have worked). In general, I have been unimpressed with PA speakers used in cinemas. I have done this on a couple of occasions, and I agree with the comment about the importance of keeping the crossover point outside of the vocal range. Many portable PA speakers that sound great with music will completely fail in the dialogue intelligibility area, which is the most important function of cinema speakers. The best cinema sound that I have heard was at the Cinerama Dome in LA in 2000. I hope that the system there still exists and still sounds good.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 10-23-2012 11:07 AM                     quote: Steve Guttag And why would you prefer 3-ways Tony...most sound worse than 2-ways...particularly for cinema application? I agree that SOME 3-way systems sound worse...but the QSC's for one do not. The main reason I prefer three way designs is very simple and stated in QSC's description of their 3-way systems, the crossover point is, at BOTH ends, outside of the "meat" of the dialog frequencies. Thus only the midrange driver carries the main workload for dialog. This reduces the problems caused by poor time alignment, lobing and and response errors at the crossover points. That, to me, makes a three way system the ONLY proper choice for the majority of cinema sound systems. (Just look at the F-T Screening room.) And to my ears, a properly set up three-way system sounds clearer than any two-way system I have encountered in the 30+ years I have been doing this. BUT, and this is important, the ROOM design and treatments can easily make or break the sound quality of ANY speaker system, two-way, three-way or any way.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 10-23-2012 04:28 PM                     My room uses 4 ways (QSC SC-444), which I find to be the best speaker ever made. I'm with Steve though, most of the time I would prefer a 2 way to a 3 way. QSC is the only one that got the 3 way right, but their 4 ways are absolutely delicious.  |  IP: Logged Tony Bandiera Jr Film God Posts: 3067 From: Moreland Idaho Registered: Apr 2004 posted 10-23-2012 06:24 PM                     LOL well Grand Poo-Bah, most of us mere mortals will have to settle for a 2 or 3 way system in our home screening rooms. Maybe if I win the lotto or marry a rich guy I can have a set-up like F-T's. You and Steve agreeing? Did hell just freeze over or something?  |  IP: Logged

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