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Robert Throop
Master Film Handler

Posts: 412
From: Vernon, NY USA
Registered: Jun 99

posted 11-19-2012 10:07 AM

I once ran a reissue print of "Sound of Music" that had fox holes and was optical only. I assumed that the mag tracks from the original release had somehow been stripped off.

quote: Jack Theakston
anticipating that few subrun places would be set up for mag.

I think that with the introduction of the magopttical print virtually all theatres were equipped with the new sprockets. I don't think I ever worked a house that was not fitted.
There were repair shops that specialized in grinding down wide tooth sprockets.

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Frank Angel
Film God

Posts: 5305
From: Brooklyn NY USA
Registered: Dec 1999

posted 11-19-2012 01:18 PM

This lad has been looking for a Neumade CS splicer (or the Splyce knockoff) for decades -- I still have to rely on a modified Griswald to splice mag. I had just came across a stunning technicolor mag print of BEH HUR -- it would have been nice to have a real splicer to work on that print.

Running mag/optical using the optical track was a nightmare. Not only did you have to crank the volume, but the slit reads the edge of the mag stripe and that is not as razor sharp or clean as it looks to the eye -- look at it under a microscope and it is a pretty jaggard edge. It creates low frequency rumble. It was painful when I worked a house that didn't have mag, so I had to run THE SOUND OF MUSIC in MONO (yuck) using the optical track of a mag/op print. It was mono, it rumbled, it was THE SOUND OF DOG POO.

Samual Goldwyn used to have (they may still have) mag prints of OKLAHOMA! on standard stock with L C R mag stripes, no surround track at all -- no room with standard sprocket holes. The stripes were placed in their normal positions which meant the standard sprocket holes cut into the outboard L and R mag tracks. Although it played and you got stereo sans surround, it certainly couldn't have been good for mag heads to have parts of the sprocket holes running over them.

Anyone have a CS splicer they want to part with?

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Rick Raskin
Phenomenal Film Handler

Posts: 1100
From: Manassas Virginia
Registered: Jan 2003

posted 11-19-2012 03:50 PM

You old timers should remember this one:

When splicing mag/opt prints you had to use a little film cement to wipe away the mag tracks on the left side of the splicer. I'd raise the left side a little bit and then using a dab of cement, wipe away the mag tracks. Then I'd use some spit to moisten the emulsion and proceed to scrape it away. A perfect splice every time.

Gross huh [Wink]

Frank,

I have a glue type CS splicer if you are interested.

Rick

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Robert Throop
Master Film Handler

Posts: 412
From: Vernon, NY USA
Registered: Jun 99

posted 11-19-2012 06:26 PM

quote:

Samual Goldwyn used to have (they may still have) mag prints of OKLAHOMA!

There were also 3 track large perf prints of SOUTH PACIFIC and JESUS CHRIST SUPERSTAR.

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Leo Enticknap
Film God

Posts: 7474
From: Loma Linda, CA
Registered: Jul 2000

posted 11-20-2012 06:02 AM

I've only ever shown one four-track mag CS print, which was a gorgeous IB print of Bad Day at Black Rock in the early '90s. It came on 1,000 foot (ten minute) reels, with instructions from the archive supplying it to the effect that cutting the leaders and tails off carried the death penalty, and so I was kept pretty busy between changeovers! I wasn't that experienced at the time and this was at a quite high profile London rep house. The chief was a bit nervous about leaving me to it that evening, but his wife was in hospital and he just couldn't be there. My only real memory of it was that that each reel left a huge amount of oxide crud on and around the heads and the gate components - much more than when we ran a typical 70mm print - and it really was a case of trying to beat the clock cleaning the film path after each reel finished and then relacing in time for the next changeover. I had to leave several reels un-rewound and do them at the end of the show.

I ran several magopticals, though, (though all with KS perfs as far as I can remember), and second everyone's comments about their general crappiness.

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Louis Bornwasser
Film God

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From: prospect ky usa
Registered: Mar 2005

posted 11-20-2012 06:17 AM

Back about 1978 to 1985 I did a lot of world premiere/tests. I would order the picture on fox-hole material, have mag tracks added, then sounded at the studio. No dubbers needed. I had a Motiograph (will fit anything) head along with an mpu from Dolby in my suitcase. Mono was still normal then so I had mono on all four tracks. Most of the time Century JJs and AA2 were in the theatre so I didn't even need the mag nead. Great sound; no sync issue. Louis

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