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Author Topic: Is the end of 35mm closer than I think? Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 03-28-2013 05:47 PM                        Do distributors actually ask you what sort of server hardware you're using before issuing a KDM? If so, sorry - didn't know that.  |  IP: Logged Bajsic Bojan Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Ljubljana, Si, Eu Registered: Aug 2008 posted 03-28-2013 05:53 PM                     If you want a valid KDM, you have to supply the distributor your server make and serial number, as per DCI specs. One cannot make a KDM for a DCP CPL without knowing on which server (or IMB) that specific CPL will play.  |  IP: Logged Justin Hamaker Film God Posts: 2253 From: Lakeport, CA USA Registered: Jan 2004 posted 03-28-2013 06:44 PM                        Just to add to Bajsic Bojan's post, the studios will issue one KDM per auditorium for each version of the content. It gets a little confusing when you have something like The Croods, which has about 16 different CPLs. (2D, 2DCC, 2DOC, 2D_7.1, 2D_7.1_CC, 2D_7.1_OC, 3D_3.5FL, 3D_3.5FL_7.1, 3D_6FL, 3D_6FL_7.1, etc).  |  IP: Logged Jock Blakley Expert Film Handler Posts: 218 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Oct 2011 posted 03-28-2013 10:22 PM                     quote: Leo Enticknap because very few labs now process b/w at all A lot of our recent B&W prints have come from Eclair and LTC St Cloud. Do you happen to know if they still do B&W?  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 03-28-2013 11:09 PM                        Add Alpha Cine to the list of labs that can do B&W. They do excellent work.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 03-30-2013 12:15 PM                        quote: Jock Blakley A lot of our recent B&W prints have come from Eclair and LTC St Cloud. Do you happen to know if they still do B&W? Are they genuine b/w prints or a monochrome image on colour stock? Eclair's website doesn't say specifically if it offers a b/w service, but it looks like their site hasn't been updated for nine years (copyright notice at the bottom), and therefore I'd be very surprised if they still offer the full range of photochemical services (especially 16mm) that the site says that they do. I can't find a website for LTC at all (I tried Googling 'laboratoires LTC Paris' and 'LTC film lab Paris'), and according to IMDB, their last production credit was in 2008. This leads me to wonder if they're still in business. Are the LTC prints you've been showing of recent titles (or re-releases)? Thanks to others for info on KDMs. I do wonder if distributors will come under pressure from smaller, indie theatres looking to use cheap, sub-DCI solutions once 35mm is no longer an option to issue KDMs that will work with those solutions, though, or even if some third party vendor will produce software that enables a cheap computer to mimic a DCI-compliant server in order to trick the KDM into working.  |  IP: Logged Christian Appelt Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 505 From: Frankfurt, Germany Registered: Dec 2001 posted 03-30-2013 06:28 PM                     Unfortunately, L.T.C. seems to have gone out of business some time ago: LTC liquidation Very sad because they turned out quality prints, I get to handle one almost every week. As for black & white, there are more labs in Europe that will handle it: - ANDEC of Berlin (8, 16, 35mm color and b&w), additional services for small format like cleaning and magnetic striping, even wet-gate (!) printing Super 8 color negatives to positive. - TF CINENOVA GmbH of Wiesbaden (formerly ABC TaunusFilm), they have great experience in handling restoration and protection work, just added Digital lab services; - CINEPOSTPRODUCTION GEYER BERLIN, the oldest German film lab founded in 1908, AFAIK also does b&w work. - FILM 16 near Munich, a small lab owned by Helmut Rings, still does optical work like S16 blowup and specializes in ORWO b&w printing and duplicating work; - LISTO FILM, Vienna seems to do photochemical work, too. - So does EGLI FILM LAB of Zurich - And there is of course ARRI LAB, Munich, that offers full service. This is just for the German speaking territories, there are other European labs specializing in certain types of work, for example the French CINEDIA GROUP, Paris, handles not only 35 and 16mm, but even 9,5mm and Super 8.  |  IP: Logged Jock Blakley Expert Film Handler Posts: 218 From: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia Registered: Oct 2011 posted 03-30-2013 06:34 PM                     Re-releases on genuine B&W in both cases. Now you mention it it's been some years since we had an LTC print, but I seem to recall the most recent Eclair print was only three or so years back. Thanks for the info Leo.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 03-31-2013 12:27 AM                        Many thanks for the info on the Paris labs, Christian. quote: Christian Appelt Unfortunately, L.T.C. seems to have gone out of business some time ago ... Very sad because they turned out quality prints... ...and not least because LTC and Eclair were two iconic names in French film history - one or other of their logos can be seen on the credits of virtually every French arthouse classic, going back at least to the 1950s. (From Ascenseur pour l'échafaud / Elevator to the Gallows)  |  IP: Logged Christian Appelt Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 505 From: Frankfurt, Germany Registered: Dec 2001 posted 03-31-2013 08:23 AM                     The lens manufacturer SATEC was also located at Saint Cloud, at 11, Rue Marius Franay (the guy who started this lab in 1935). In the 1950s SATEC made anamorphic lenses under the trade name DYALISCOPE which can be found in many credits of European films from the fifties and sixties. I recall some black & white Dyaliscope features in vintage prints that looked extremely sharp. Those lenses were used for decades on low budget films all over the world. Marty Hart has a Dyaliscope promotional leaflet, on page three one can see the different converters and block anamorphics for Arriflex, Caméflex, Debrie and Mitchell cameras. DyaliScope  |  IP: Logged

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