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Author Topic: Archive / fragile film handling - plate system/tower suitable? Buck Wilson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 894 From: St. Joseph MO, USA Registered: Sep 2010 posted 04-13-2014 05:14 PM                     ^^^The general consensus for those is a giant NO, especially with an existing useable booth, but it is certainly an option  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 04-13-2014 06:36 PM                     What about rails? If you want to keep 35mm - I think it doesn't make too much sense to give up change-over capability - simply because sooner or later every available 35mm print will be an archive copy. Although as a mainstream cinema we gave up changeover operation 18 years ago, I still think it is a presentation form worth to keep if possible. (picture of booth) hmm, I see, even with the Sony between the two 35mm, it would be no problem to operate the Sony from the back, but changeover operation would be nearly impossible because the Sony would block access to the left machine. It would be possible, though, to put the Sony on rails, if there is enough space behind it for temporary dislocation for changeover operation. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 04-15-2014 02:41 AM                     We've done rails in a few locations. It works well!  |  IP: Logged Dan Judge Film Handler Posts: 20 From: sheffield, South Yorkshire, UK Registered: Mar 2014 posted 04-15-2014 06:10 AM                     The plan is HOPEFULLY to move the right 35mm projector to the far right of the porthole (and extend it for viewing), this should give enough space to install the Sony 4K and also operate the righthand 35mm projector. Otherwise, it is a Christie Solaria One(which seems a bit naff compared to the Sony 4K) next to the righthand projector and the righthand projector on rails.  |  IP: Logged Scott Norwood Film God Posts: 8146 From: Boston, MA. USA (1774.21 miles northeast of Dallas) Registered: Jun 99 posted 04-15-2014 07:42 AM                        Have you considered using a viewing port for the D-cinema machine? One local theatre did this--they put the D-cinema projector on a base with wheels and added a twist-lock power connector to it. It rolls into the space on the operator side of the 35mm projector (projecting through the existing large-ish viewing port) and two pins fit through the base into holes in the floor to lock the assembly into place. The whole thing rolls out of the way when they show film in that auditorium. I am told that it takes about half an hour to line everything up, so a mixed film/video program could never be done there, but it works fine for the occasional film screening. Obviously, this would not work if you have very small viewing ports. Unfortunately, the whole discussion of platters/towers being safe for film is effectively moot if the people who are providing prints to you have policies against running them on those systems.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-15-2014 10:12 AM                        And furthermore, in the case of many of the larger non-profit archive institutions, those policies are deeply entrenched and in some cases date back to the invention and initial rollout of the long-play film transport itself.  |  IP: Logged Pete Naples Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1565 From: Dunfermline, Scotland Registered: Feb 2001 posted 04-15-2014 12:03 PM                     Dan, I don't think anyone on here would support your description of a Solaria One as "a bit naff compared to the Sony 4K".  |  IP: Logged Antti Nayha Master Film Handler Posts: 268 From: Helsinki, Finland Registered: Oct 2008 posted 04-16-2014 10:33 AM                     quote: Leo Enticknap It's a policy that dates back at least to the 1970s. I don't know where it got started, but I would guess that a projectionist at somewhere like the NFT advised the BFI that platters and towers are inherently dangerous to prints, and that policy recommendation has just stuck. The "changeovers only" (or at the very least "no splicing allowed") policy is enforced by the International Federation of Film Archives (FIAF), which probably explains its ubiquity.  |  IP: Logged Dan Judge Film Handler Posts: 20 From: sheffield, South Yorkshire, UK Registered: Mar 2014 posted 04-17-2014 11:39 AM                     Pete - Well on paper it seems the lesser projector. I'm sure it does the job, the Sony just seems to benefit froma few mod cons. The lens memory will come in handy.. We salways have to faff with ratios and zooming in and out.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 04-17-2014 02:45 PM                     quote: Antti Nayha The "changeovers only" (or at the very least "no splicing allowed") policy is enforced by the International Federation of Film Archives (FIAF), which probably explains its ubiquity. While this might be true in practice, this is not explicitly stated in the FIAF - Code of Ethics  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 04-18-2014 07:30 PM                        I'm guessing that it'll be a recommendation made by the FIAF Technical Committee at some stage, which was adopted unquestioningly by most of its member institutions. Not that I have a problem with it in principle: cutting the leaders and tails from a print does risk accelerated wear and tear on the first and last few feet of each reel, however carefully it's done. My problem is that it has led to a "just as long as you're not plattering/towering/double MUT-ing the print, all other sins are forgiven" approach by many archives, or in other words, the belief that cutting the leaders and tails is the only way possible to damage a print. As I mentioned earlier, I've projected dozens of prints from FIAF member archives that have shown signs of careless, and in some cases downright negligent handling in a changeover booth.  |  IP: Logged

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