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Author Topic: THX Cimarron original mix restoration Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-26-2014 04:46 PM                     To Mark & Connor, unless you're working with the original analog master "stem" recordings nothing is actually being restored. IMHO, manipulating a recording of playback in a movie theater or other stuff taken off YouTube or elsewhere is just an exercise in audio editing or maybe just a waste of time. That stuff is generations removed from original, master quality. Brad might have the next best thing in that 70mm trailer, provided the Dolby A magnetic soundtrack is still in good shape. It can be used to source a multi-channel LPCM audio track. Encodes could be made in any number of Dolby Digital formats (it might be weird to encode it in DTS if the Dolby Stereo logo is shown in the image). One question I have: is the channel layout 4.2 or 5.1? As far as any restoration effort goes, the tougher nut to crack is the video end of things. I have a non-anamorphic DVD .VOB trailer of it. But it looks like crap blown up on a HDTV screen. I'm doubtful anyone has good quality HD resolution versions of it. For DCP use in 2K or 4K a new film scan of the best elements available would be necessary. I suppose a 70mm print could be a useful source. Again, it's still going to be at least a generation or two removed from the master elements.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 06-26-2014 04:55 PM                     FYI to Bobby, I've spoken to Lucasfilm about this before...they do NOT have the original elements or even a print of that version.  |  IP: Logged Bobby Henderson "Ask me about Trajan." Posts: 10973 From: Lawton, OK, USA Registered: Apr 2001 posted 06-27-2014 08:34 AM                     That really sucks. And it shows just how whacked the priorities are for some people when it comes to protecting the assets that make up their intellectual property. If the THX people don't have a print of that version of Cimarron then it makes your copy immensely more valuable. I'd certainly love to hear a real 5.1 or 4.2 multi-channel version of it. At the same time, I wouldn't play it for just anyone due to the wear and tear risks. Maybe we could get Robert Harris to do a digital restoration of it.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 06-27-2014 05:32 PM                     If all you're doing is duplicating, you're not "restoring" anything. You're just preserving it. The real question is: Just what exactly do you intend to do with the finished product? There are easier ways to waste time and end up in prison.  |  IP: Logged Mark Friedrich Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Porto Alegre, Brazil Registered: May 2014 posted 06-28-2014 04:12 PM                     RESTORATION CANCELLED  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 07-04-2014 09:44 AM                     This version is the only version of Cimarron I know of. I've seen it on 35mm, and the audio does not differ from what is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U938c_Zx16s  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-04-2014 10:35 AM                     Play it again Mike. The audio difference is huge.  |  IP: Logged Mike Olpin Chop Chop! Posts: 1852 From: Dallas, TX Registered: Jan 2002 posted 07-04-2014 11:02 AM                     Huh. My brain must be playing recollection tricks on me. Saw it in theaters in the early 2000s and didn't notice. We need this version on DCP: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIbtk0XwNIU  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-04-2014 11:45 AM                     Y'all gonna make me play my THX WOW reel -- doesn't "Cimarron" appear at the end of that?  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 07-04-2014 12:56 PM                     Yes, the commonly found audio mix like Mike posted is at the end of the Wow reel.  |  IP: Logged Manny Knowles "What are these things and WHY are they BLUE???" Posts: 4247 From: Bloomington, IN, USA Registered: Feb 2002 posted 07-04-2014 02:48 PM                     Ah. Then I don't know what "other" version y'all are talkin' bout.  |  IP: Logged Andrew Maddison Film Handler Posts: 13 From: Coventry, West Midlands, UK Registered: Sep 2007 posted 07-19-2014 03:30 PM                     I think we still have our 70mm copy of Cimarron... will have to have a look in all the boxes of things to find it! However I don't know what state it is in.  |  IP: Logged Mike Blasko Film Handler Posts: 15 From: Lakewood, Ohio Registered: Aug 2006 posted 07-21-2014 12:42 PM                     Yes. It's on the WOW laserdisc for sure (actually sounds great if I remember correctly), so I assume it's the same on the 35mm version ?  |  IP: Logged Connor Wilson Expert Film Handler Posts: 190 From: Sterling, VA, USA Registered: Jan 2011 posted 12-12-2014 08:38 PM                     Thought I'd bump this since I found an eBay listing for a 70mm Cimarron. It ended on Nov. 7 and went for $77. I believe it's worth more than the seller knew, if only he/she ran it through a 70mm Dolby mag system. 70mm Cimarron on eBay Any thoughts about contacting the winner about this preservation project? Someone found one before Brad did, and we'd all love to hear the 6-track Dolby soundtrack. Maybe, if possible, an HD scan of the print.  |  IP: Logged Brad Miller Administrator Posts: 17775 From: Plano, TX (36.2 miles NW of Rockwall) Registered: May 99 posted 12-12-2014 09:24 PM                     Most 70mm prints did NOT have the original mix. Only a few were made. Odds are the eBay listing was nothing special.  |  IP: Logged

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