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Author Topic: Brenkert projector oil Buck Wilson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 894 From: St. Joseph MO, USA Registered: Sep 2010 posted 08-17-2014 02:12 PM                     ATF will not ruin seals. If you have a problem with more leaks after switching to it, it's only because the high detergent base has cleaned out a pre-existing but possibly clogged with gunk leak with already bad seals. There are a number of manual transmissions in cars(Read: gears) that even call for ATF. Dexron VI is the best on the market I hadn't heard of using ATF in projectors, but it is certainly worth a shot and I would try it myself. Having heard of this, I'll likely use it to re-start my Prevost P-55s after sitting for a decade. Would work great to de-gel them. That said, I'm not sure I'd leave such a thin, high detergent fluid in a projector on an extended long-term basis, unless the projector sounds very happy with it. Millions of dollars have been invested in engineering certain ATF like Dex 6. Very high quality lubricant.  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-17-2014 10:43 PM                     This is unrelated to Projector Oils but since we are talking about BRENKERT;This info from Bob Sprague was rather interesting to BRENKERT Buffs. BRENKERT Projector heads supposedly cost more than the Competition but he points out that the 2 Largest Theaters in Chicago "THE UPTOWN"(4500seats) and "THE CHICAGO THEATER(4100seats) both used BRENKERT Equipment. Wait a minute this is MOTIOGRAPH,DEVRY Territory;what is this DETROIT Guy doing on our Turf. Also BRENKERT had thought about MFGing Soundheads,but never did.After 1938 All BRENKERT Equipment was sold only through RCA Theater Supply Dealers... RCA 200 Projectors(1953) are CENTURY C Mechanisms... RCA ARC-LAMPS-"BRITE-ARC","LINE-ARC","HY-ARC" and "DYN-ARC" sold in 1953-54 were made by ASHCRAFT... RCA "STANDARD LINE" Projector and Soundhead in 1954-55 were made by WENZEL... RCA "ALL AMERICAN" Picture & Sound from 1955-56 were made by SETTLES... And something that even surprised me...Some CENTURY Built VISTAVISION(8-per Fram)Horizontal Projectors were retrofitted to use BRENKERT Intermittents in place of Official CENTURY Intermittents... I thought you should all know about this  |  IP: Logged Jim Billek Film Handler Posts: 6 From: Phillips, WI, USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 08-17-2014 10:49 PM                     I do appreciate all the info. Since the thread did sort of move into Brenkert history, If I am not breaking rules too badly. Instead of starting a new thread I am wondering if Brenkert intermittents are interchangeable between models.  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-18-2014 01:38 AM                     Yes Jim; The BX80 BX60 BX40 and RCA100(BX100)All use the same intermittent. P.N.X-3107(complete intermittent assembly) I looked in all 4 different Model Manuals I have. It must have been a well designed Unit to carry it over through the whole Brenkert Line from 1939(BX80)to the BX100(1950)  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-18-2014 12:50 PM                     quote: Buck Wilson There are a number of manual transmissions in cars(Read: gears) that even call for ATF. Well it never called for it or recommended anything but gear lube but the BORG WARNER SUPER T-1O 4Speed in that old Vette of mine on the "What Car do you Drive" thread had DEXRON 2 in it. After I put the Hotrodded BB in;I wanted a faster shifting Transmission. When those gears are in a Fluid where their not being dragged down from overly thick lubrication;Its like a whole new Tranny. It shifted like a Modern day non-linkage TREMEC and I never had any heat issues or part failures even at 7000rpm shift points  |  IP: Logged Buck Wilson Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 894 From: St. Joseph MO, USA Registered: Sep 2010 posted 08-19-2014 01:25 AM                     Know that from experience as well, but in not nearly as cool of a car.(Ford Festiva)  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-19-2014 02:56 AM                     HEY BUCK; I just bought the DVD "PAPER MOON" Ryan & Tatum O'Neal. Watched The Version with Bogdonovich doing the Commentary. He said a lot of those Street Scenes were shot in St Joseph. Back in the 80's I bought CLASS B FIREWORKS from a Distributor named SCHNEIDER'S FIREWORKS(PYROTECHNICS) Wonder if their still Going...  |  IP: Logged Mark Gulbrandsen Resident Trollmaster Posts: 16657 From: Music City Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-19-2014 10:34 AM                     quote: Buck Wilson ATF will not ruin seals. If you have a problem with more leaks after switching to it, it's only because the high detergent base has cleaned out a pre-existing but possibly clogged with gunk leak with already bad seals. Normally. I would agree except in the case of all the leaky Pro-35's several of them had been overhauled with brand new o rings and seals. These projectors did not leak a drop running oil the first several months. After "he" switched them over to Dexron it wasn't more than a couple months before the leaks ensued. A few were so bad they had to oil dry and mop the floor regularly. Projectors are designed for non detergent lubes. While Dexron is fine for transmissions it is not fine for a projector. All the Pro 35's finally had to be pulled out of service just because the amount of leakage was so bad. Mark  |  IP: Logged Ed Inman Expert Film Handler Posts: 103 From: Jackson, Mississippi USA Registered: Jul 2004 posted 08-19-2014 05:29 PM                        Since the name brand projector oils are being discontinued, what do you folks think about MOBIL VELOCITE SPINDLE OIL? I see it readily available on ebay and Amazon. Is it suitable as an intermittent or general projector lubrication oil? Also, should I use #10 or #6 (or does it matter)? thanks--Ed  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-19-2014 07:27 PM                     8509(1997) Product Data Sheet Mobil Velocite Oil Numbered Series High Speed Spindle and Hydraulic Oils Product Description The Mobil Velocite Oils are a range of high quality light viscosity lubricants for high speed machine tool spindles and hydraulic applications. Mobil Velocite Oil No. 3 is made from a light petroleum solvent refined mineral oil and an oxidation inhibitor. Mobil Velocite Oil No. 6 and No. 10 are made from light viscosity solvent refined mineral oils, oxidation inhibitors and a rust inhibitor and a defoamant. Some anti-wear protection is also provided. Benefits The Mobil Velocite Oils offer the following benefits: • Protection against wear • Good hydraulic performance • Resistant to oxidation and degradation products • Protection against rust and corrosion • Low spindle wear • Maintained high precision • Minimum scrap and off-sized components • Long trouble-free life Applications The Mobil Velocite Oils are recommended for lubricating high speed machine tool spindles. Mobil Velocite Oil No. 3 is recommended for the ‘zero clearance’ type of spindle bearing which operates with extremely close clearances - which may be no more that 0.0001" per inch of arbor diameter. The majority of sleeve type spindle bearings have greater clearances and for these Mobil Velocite Oil No. 4, No. 6 and No. 10 are recommended. Choice of viscosity depends upon relationship between clearance and spindle speed. High speed and close clearance require Mobil Velocite Oil No. 4 - slower speed and wider clearance require Mobil Velocite Oil No. 10 Mobil Velocite Oil No. 3 is also recommended for use in EDM applications where its low viscosity and electrical characteristics, together with resistance to degradation, make it an ideal cooling and flushing medium. Mobil Velocite Oil No. 6 and No. 10 are also suitable for use in hydraulic systems that do not require ‘anti-wear’ oils. 8509(1997) Properties All these oils contain oxidation inhibiting materials enabling them to resist the production of deposits and degradation materials under the high speed - extremely thin film - oxidation prone conditions under which they work. In addition Mobil Velocite Oil No. 6 and No. 10 contain a rust inhibitor making them suitable for intricate and critical hydraulic systems requiring a light oil. Both have excellent chemical stability, resistance to oxidation and formation of degradation products and contain a defoamant. They have a high viscosity index and separate readily from water. Health and Safety Based on available toxicological information, it has been determined that this product poses no significant health risk when used and handled properly. Details on handling, as well as health and safety information, can be found in the Material Safety Data Bulletin which can be obtained through Mobil Oil Company Ltd., by telephoning 01372 22 2000. Typical physical characteristics are given in the table. These are intended as a guide to industry and are not necessarily manufacturing or marketing specifications. Product Characteristics Mobil Velocite Oil No. 3 No. 4 No. 6 No. 10 ISO Viscosity Grade 2 5 10 22 Viscosity, cSt at 40°C 2.0/2.4 4.8 10.0 22.0 Viscosity, cSt at 100°C - 1.63 2.6 4.1 Viscosity Index - - 95 95 Flash Point, °C COC 76 114 154 174 Pour Point , °C -30 -24 -30 -27 probably as good as anything out there. I'm sure it won't damage an intermittent...  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-20-2014 01:02 AM                     Mobil Velocite Oil No. 3 is recommended for the ‘zero clearance’ type of spindle bearing which operates with extremely close clearances - which may be no more that 0.0001" per inch of arbor diameter. Since an Intermittent is a precision piece and its components are generally machined to 1/10thousands of an inch tolerances. Perhaps the #3 lube would be a good choice...  |  IP: Logged Ed Inman Expert Film Handler Posts: 103 From: Jackson, Mississippi USA Registered: Jul 2004 posted 08-20-2014 08:36 AM                        I have a bottle of the #10. In terms of viscosity it appears to be as light weight (or perhaps lighter) than my old bottle of Lavezzi Intermittent Oil. Pours pretty much like water with no resistance at all.  |  IP: Logged Jack Ondracek Film God Posts: 2348 From: Port Orchard, WA, USA Registered: Oct 2002 posted 08-20-2014 11:28 AM                        You guys are probably not going to like this, but... A friend of mine ran non-detergent 30-weight, purchased at the local gas station, in his Century C intermittents for over 60 years. When those projectors were taken out for digital, they were still among the most stable I've seen. You can imagine what he'd say about an intermittent oil debate.  |  IP: Logged Gordon McLeod Film God Posts: 9532 From: Toronto Ontario Canada Registered: Jun 99 posted 08-20-2014 11:32 AM                     Not suprising that he had no issues the original Simplex/Century oil was No 20 non detergent  |  IP: Logged Steve Matz Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 672 From: Billings, Montana, USA Registered: Sep 2003 posted 08-20-2014 11:58 AM                     I think this oil issue is overkill. An intermittent is not even turning close to 2000rpm; so the heat issue compared to say parts in an automotive engine turning 3 times that speed is negligible.All were trying to do here is maintain a thin protective film barrier between metal surfaces.I doubt any of the oils/products mentioned on this thread are going to hurt/damage that intermittent as long as this protective barrier is maintained. Neoprene Seals,O-Rings,have been around forever and ATF,PETROLEUM OIL,ETC. should have no effect on them as far as deterioration,Shrinking,etc. The people that are complaining most about using another product instead of OEM oil that came in the Projector/intermittent are only worried about the Loss in sales they will incur because the customer found another cheaper alternative that works just as well...  |  IP: Logged

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