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Author Topic: Kinoton FP-30D Projector PRICING..... Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 10-24-2014 12:16 PM                     Sam beat me to answering your question, Marcel. I didn't know what that unit was when I first started working that room either. I had to do a little research on my own to find out what it was. (I shouldda known I could have just asked Sam !) Here's a slightly better picture: The other unit is (obviously) a CP650 remote. Actually though, except for the 35/70 projectors, everything in that room and all the auditorium functions (masking, lights, curtain) are controlled via a desktop station and two i-pads. I don't don't think I've ever actually turned a knob or pushed a button on any of the many processors they have in their equipment racks. It's a nice system- - unless the wi-fi crashes ! (Which has only happened to me once & it was easy to get everything 'back' ) There are a wholebuncha pictures of the Dolby room in the Warehouse section of this website. They were taken a number of years ago, so there's been a lot of changes in equipment from when they were taken. (The big BARCO in those pictures, for example, has been replaced by a 4K Christie)  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 10-24-2014 06:04 PM                       To be clear, I was talking about the box above the projection port, not the smaller box next to the 650 remote.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 10-24-2014 06:55 PM                        quote: Jim Cassedy Actually though, except for the 35/70 projectors, everything in that room and all the auditorium functions (masking, lights, curtain) are controlled via a desktop station and two i-pads. I've got our AP20 and DSS200 running on VNC through wifi and an ancient but functional Android tablet - very useful, especially for setting volume levels during tech rehearsal screenings with filmmakers. I just let them tweak the level themselves from within the house to their taste, add about .2 or .3 to it on the night of the show if the house is quite full, and everyone is happy. No more running back and forth between the booth, and I can also take the tablet into the balcony or the main floor to confirm that the sound is OK in both. The box on the left of the CP650 remote is a CP500 remote, isn't it?  |  IP: Logged Don Furr Jedi Master Film Handler Posts: 509 From: Sun City, Ca USA Registered: Nov 2002 posted 10-24-2014 09:36 PM                     Yes....the box to the left is a CP500 remote.  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 10-25-2014 12:53 AM                     quote: Sam D. Chavez To be clear, I was talking about the box above the projection port, not the smaller box next to the 650 remote. D'oh! My fault. I was looking at some tiny thumbnail images when I selected that picture and apparently clicked on the wrong one. THIS is the correct image, which shows the box Sam described. It's still connected to "something" or at least the wires are going somewhere.  |  IP: Logged Marcel Birgelen Film God Posts: 3357 From: Maastricht, Limburg, Netherlands Registered: Feb 2012 posted 10-27-2014 08:59 AM                     Yes indeed, that box, thank you. We all like to look at some obscure, probably obsolete hardware now and then, don't we? Still looks quite modernish from close up, although the buttons are giving it away a bit. I've also never seen one of these before. Sam, so the idea was that you could read barcodes from the actual print and the device (or rather the "controller" behind the device) would then program those cues automatically for this feature?  |  IP: Logged Mitchell Dvoskin Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1869 From: West Milford, NJ, USA Registered: Jan 2001 posted 10-27-2014 09:19 AM                     United Artists Eastern Theatres here in the USA experimented with bar code controlled automation back in the 1980's. You could control curtain/lights/masking/shutter/etc via the appropriate bar code. My memory of this is rather fuzzy, but originally they used bar code stickers on the print, but they were trying to get the studios to support the system by printing the bar code cues into the prints. Ultimate, the project was abandoned.  |  IP: Logged Leo Enticknap Film God Posts: 7474 From: Loma Linda, CA Registered: Jul 2000 posted 10-27-2014 12:06 PM                        I'm guessing that the ultimate goal was to achieve show automation without the projectionist having to faff around putting sticky labels on the print as part of the build-up process (with all the time and print wear that implies).  |  IP: Logged Carsten Kurz Film God Posts: 4340 From: Cologne, NRW, Germany Registered: Aug 2009 posted 10-27-2014 12:15 PM                     They should have added timecode capability to SRD tracks. DTS could have utilised theirs for automation as well. At the time these systems came out, the world was driving full speed into multiplexes and automatic operation. - Carsten  |  IP: Logged Jim Cassedy Phenomenal Film Handler Posts: 1661 From: San Francisco, CA Registered: Dec 2006 posted 10-27-2014 03:38 PM                     In the "Automation" section of the FT website, there is some info on the UA Barcode readers, including a page of barcodes you could print yourself onto little stickylabelthingys. Like Carsten, I too used to wonder why DTS didn't come out with some sort of interface which you could program to open (or close) relays at a particular time code point. I would have found something like that very useful.  |  IP: Logged Sam D. Chavez Film God Posts: 2153 From: Martinez, CA USA Registered: Aug 2003 posted 10-27-2014 09:12 PM                       The UA system was in competition to the Dolby one. Dolby used fairly robust custom barcode vs UA's off the shelf can of peas type stickers. The basic problem with the UA system was the Symbol Technology reader was always mechanically scanning looking for a cue for the whole feature and the hardware would wear out pretty quickly. The original germ of the idea was to identify SR vs A type tracks and then it grew into a much more elaborate reader with software. For instance the curtain cue would be at the start of credits and then a time offset would be programmed on that screen so curtain would close at the very end as it should. The cues were read by a slot photo interruptor as the film passed by so there were no moving parts aside from the film. Dolby did issue pages of specific cues to prime the pump as it were while the labs adopted the bar code idea. The on film cues could used by everyone as a public utility. Work on SR.D ultimately pushed the bar code project aside as it was clear that DTS and SDDS were being adopted by cinema owners. Bigger fish to fry is the best way to put it. DA10 came out soon after and it worked pretty flawlessly and good news after the CDS fiasco where the digital tracks could not be read reliably and no back up.  |  IP: Logged James P King Film Handler Posts: 2 From: Toronto, ON, Canada Registered: Oct 2014 posted 10-29-2014 09:30 AM                        Hi Dan, Are the pair of FP30's still up for sale? Thanks, James  |  IP: Logged

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