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Topic: 70MM STAR WARS ROGUE ONE
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Martin Brooks
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From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
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posted 10-22-2016 12:43 AM
quote: Tyler Purcell
See, the nice thing about film is that, if you do a bad job people know and complain.
I have to disagree with that. In an age where people complain about every trivial thing, you'd think they'd complain about bad presentation, whether film or digital, but generally they just accept that that's the way it is and they don't complain. The only exceptions in my experience were when a lamp blew completely or the projector stopped due to a film break. I once saw a film where it was obvious that the reels were in the wrong order and I was the only one who complained.
I can't tell you the number of times I complained about presentations back in the film days and I was almost always told, "you're the only one who complained". While that might be a lie in some cases, it's not a lie in all cases because I would sit there and be enraged and storm out of the auditorium to find someone and everyone else was just sitting there.
As I've written a number of times before, I saw "The Master" in 70mm at the (late) Ziegfeld in NYC and the print had dirt end-to-end. I was the only one complaining. Decades ago, I saw the movie "Fillmore" at the Loews Kings in Brooklyn in 4-tk mag and one audio channel was completely missing. The manager of that theater did nothing and just said the usual, "that's the way it's supposed to be". I wrote to Loews and they admitted there was a problem and send me a check for one ticket. When I saw E.T. in 70mm at Movieland in NYC, there was a 60 Hz hum throughout the whole film. When I complained about that, one of the guys sitting around said, "he heard the hum" as if no one else ever did.
Bad presentation is bad presentation and it has nothing to do with whether it's film or digital. But at least with digital, idiots in the theater can't destroy the print and even in the smallest towns, people are seeing an image without dirt, scratches, weave, bad shutter sync, frames missing, wow and flutter in the audio, and they get to see the movies the same day that people get to see them in Los Angeles and New York. That wasn't the case in the film days when more often that not, except for first run theaters early in the run, you felt like you were watching films in a grind house.
On the other hand, I've also seen digital presented out-of-focus, with the center channel fed to the left speaker and especially with Sony 3D projectors, whether projecting 2D or 3D, absurdly dim images with bad color. I've also been in theaters where the sound was completely distorted and not just because the level was cranked up too high.
Etc.
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Bobby Henderson
"Ask me about Trajan."
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posted 10-22-2016 07:39 PM
quote: Martin Brooks
I have to disagree with that. In an age where people complain about every trivial thing, you'd think they'd complain about bad presentation, whether film or digital, but generally they just accept that that's the way it is and they don't complain.
Very few people bother to complain about presentation problems because it's far too much of a pain in the ass to do so, especially now. 20 or 30 years ago it was easier to complain. Multiplex sites weren't so big and stadium seating hadn't yet taken over theater designs.
Today if something goes wrong during a show the audience plays a waiting game, seeing who will get up first to go complain, trying to wait out each other. Sometimes no one leaves their seat. It means missing a good sized chunk of the movie.
I swear, it seems like whenever anything goes wrong I'm the one who gets to miss part of the movie to complain. I gotta leave the middle seat, stepping over other people to get to the aisle. Then I have to walk down all those stadium riser steps toward the screen and then once I hit ground level I have to walk another auditorium length to the room's entrance. Then comes the fun of walking down long hallways into the lobby and trying to find anyone there who might get in touch with a manager promptly. Like I said, it's a real pain in the ass.
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Tyler Purcell
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From: Van Nuys, CA
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posted 10-23-2016 03:41 PM
Honestly, I can't go to regular cinemas anymore, they all look like crap to me. If I go to the cinema, which is very rare these days thanks to the crap content, I go to the best theater in town and deal with the drive/ticket expense, because they deliver the highest quality show. If they don't play the movie I want to see, then I'll just wait for the digital release and watch it on my calibrated high definition DLP projected, home theater. Since movies today are mostly shot digital and the vast majority are finished in 2k, why bother seeing it on a big screen with all the aliasing and pixilation. At least when things go bad at MY home theater, I can solve them immediately and re-start the presentation. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Connor Wilson
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From: Sterling, VA, USA
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posted 11-14-2016 08:25 PM
I think I saw the 4K Rouge One trailer at the new Alamo Drafthouse in Downtown Brooklyn during their test run. The room a huge common height screen nearing the ceiling, floor, and walls, and a surprisingly bright Sony 4K projector.
I wasn't impressed. It was too soft, but that was the aesthetic Lucasfilm wanted as it takes place in between III and IV, but it's closer to IV.
I don't know if it's a compliment, or an insult, depending on how you are looking at it, but it looked a bit like the recent Silver Screen Edition of IV Team Negative 1 cooked up from original 35mm prints.
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