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Robert Harris
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65mm printing was generally not 1:1

Most were auto-select format, as opposed to A/B

Some were cut & conformed as Techniscope.

Continuous contact was not the order of the day.

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Allan Young
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quote: Robert Harris
Most were auto-select format, as opposed to A/B
Wasn't auto-select unique to Technicolor? So the majority of 70mm productions used Technicolor labs?
quote: Robert Harris
Some were cut & conformed as Techniscope.
Confused. What does Techniscope have to do with printing 70mm?

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Robert Harris
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Auto-select was not limited to Technicolor, at least not in 35mm. 65, possibly.

By Techniscope format, I’m referring to the negative conformation, of extra frames at the head and tail of every shot, hence the need for an optical printer.

A nice format, which solved some problems, especially as elements aged.

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Jean-Pierre Gutzeit
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https://www.quora.com/Is-Christopher-Nolan-color-blind

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Jean-Pierre Gutzeit
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To Scott:

To 100% I would like to agree with your statement. The requirements for optical printing require an increase of 60% image cleanliness in the negative. In contact printing, many dust grains would remain invisible.
All of the labs were reluctant to switch to Bell & Howell Model C in the contact process due to the rejects and too slow printing on serial production on subtractive optical printers.
As a rule, 65mm negatives in the same format take 1 to 1 prints. In the case of the Ultra Panavision films, however, they worked together with the Technicolor laboratories, because variable rectified prints (more compressed at the edles) were required for Ultra Panavision/70mm Cinerama prints (THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD) or even copied spherically (FALL OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE).
After the start of the additive serial copying in contact printing with CLEOPATRA (A/B and C reels) at DeLuxe 1963, the labs Technicolor, Rank Film and LTC St. Cloude also switched to additive printung in the contact process. At least for the European copy Labs, especially for Technicolor in London or in Rome, I know that.
As you already argue for medium format photography, this also applies to the film printing: the purity of the colors was unsurpassed in the additive printing process! In the subtractive and optical printing it came again and again to impurities of complementary colors. The effort also for the preparation of the original negatives extremely questionable (treatments for 35mm for example).

It is therefore an absolute feat as Technicolor has succeeded in producing perfect 70mm prints as well as perfect 35mm Scope prints of Technirama negatives. And it's just one disaster that has been released in recent years in Burbank on behalf of the 70mm movie.

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Allan Young
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quote: Allan Young
Interesting. I've seen two different prints and there was distinct unsteadiness on both. I figured the lab had screwed up but it could be that both cinemas had projector problems.
Yup, turns out both cinemas had problems with their projectors.

I caught the British print again last week on the Cinerama screen in Bradford (where the projection standards are impeccable) and there was no evidence of unsteadiness.

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Stephan Shelley
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Grand Lake got print 16. Only run reel to reel prior to us. If anyone reading this had this print go over the projector that ran the odd number reels your doing base side scratches on that machine. All the odd reels have scratching on the extreme left side of the image that would be the time code side and in places scratching across the whole image. Also in places looks like the flanges of a 35mm roller was running on the film. The even reels are fine.

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Brad Miller
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The leaders should have a sticker on it noting the initial playdate's location. Where did that print start?

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Stephan Shelley
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Destination is blank. There is a WO number and a TN number.

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Brad Miller
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It must've been one of the replacement prints then. (Actually at #16 that would make sense.)

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