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Martin Brooks
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From: Forest Hills, NY, USA
Registered: May 2002
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posted 10-10-2019 11:16 PM
quote: Bobby Henderson
The difficult thing is Mike's list is dated 1985, and we don't know all the corporate moves that took place in the years since. I'm unfamiliar with the Walter Reade company.
True. One would have to do the kind of research Michael Coate does to figure it all out. But I do have some of it, although most of the info is after 1985:
In 1970, the Walter Reade theaters were:
Waverly, 34th St East, Astor, Victoria, DeMille, Ziegfeld, Festival, Little Carnegie, Fine Arts, Baronet and Coronet.
The other big arthouse chain in 1970 were the Rugoff Theatres:
5th Avenue Cinema, 8th Street Playhouse, Art, Gramercy, Murray Hill, Sutton, Paris, Plaza, Cinema I, Cinema II and the Beekman.
At some point, Cineplex Odeon picked up a bunch of these theaters, but in December 1998, Cineplex Odeon was sold to Clearview and Clearview picked up these theaters:
Waverly Twin, Art Greenwich, Chelsea West, Chelsea Cinema 9, Ziegfeld, 62nd & Broadway, Regency, Metro, Olympia, 59th St East, 1st & 62nd 6, Beekman, Park & 86th St.
Over time, most closed. The Waverly became IFC Center in 2005. Chelsea West was bought by the School of Visual Arts. The Chelsea 9 went to Bow Tie who sold it to Cinepolis in 2016. The 59th St East closed, reopened, was sold to BIG theaters and closed.
In 2001, the UA theaters became part of Regal. In 2006, AMC bought Loews. I've noticed recently that AMC has been busy taking the Loews name off of the AMC theaters that still used the Loews name, like the Lincoln Square. What a waste of money!
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Michael Coate
Phenomenal Film Handler
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From: Los Angeles, California
Registered: Feb 2001
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posted 11-07-2019 02:30 PM
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
I would suggest he post his revised list here so we can all go over it with a fine tooth comb again.
I see no point in re-posting the list right now since you’re not likely to spot the revisions other than the Elgin deletion and Lubbock additions. (I’ll re-post the “final” version when it goes live.) The other tweaks have been less-likely-to-be-noticed things like a few deletions and adding asterisks (denoting two or more screens 70mm equipped in a complex). The other comments/corrections/suggestions are addressed below.
quote: Mark Ogden
California>Hollywood>Cineplex Odeon Beverly Center (Screens 1 & 2 = THX). Actually this was a 1987 install, so it might not work for you depending on what "circa" allows for.
Yes, the Beverly Center added 70mm after 1985 and so it’s not eligible for this particular listing since I wish for this project to focus on the year 1985.
I intended “circa” to cover the 1984-85 period since I provided some contextual details in the article introduction related to those two years. I can see now that the use of circa is causing confusion so I will modify the article title and attempt to clarify the introduction.
By the way, the reason I’m doing a listing that focuses on a specific timeframe instead of the entire 1955-present period is because (1) I was curious to learn what the installation base was during the format’s peak, which I concluded to be 1985 (based upon the number of titles releases), and (2) to do an all-encompassing master list of 70mm installations 1955-present, one would need a spreadsheet or database to address name changes, ownership changes, and renovations, details which I believe wouldn’t be possible to neatly convey in an easy-to-read alphabetical layout. To resolve this I’m in the process of creating listings at 10-year intervals (1955, 1965, 1975, etc.).
quote: Steve Guttag
There is no "Bethesda Mall" It should read K-B Montgomery Mall (triplex)
Fixed.
quote: Steve Guttag
Tyson's Corner (NTI) had 70mm, I believe in some form...there were various Tyson Corner theatres but it would be the NTI one that had 70mm via Bauer U2 projectors. That said, it is possible there was a time after the various splittings that Tyson's was 70mm-less though NTI's Tyson-4 (used to be a twin) had 70mm on screen 1, verifiable by checking Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade when I personally ran in 70mm there...Unfortunately, I cannot verify equipment before that time or in 1985 as I had no connection with the company then (I was with K-B until 2/3rds though 1987).
The venue you’re describing is present on the list (though by the time of the ”Indiana Jones” run Cineplex Odeon had taken over). I must admit, though, the theaters in this region are confusing to me since there appears to have been (at least) three different venues in close proximity each with the Tysons name. So maybe someone familiar with the region can clarify?
And since we’re on the subject, I may as well ask if any of you guys familiar with the Virginia suburbs of DC can confirm the correct spelling of these theaters? Is it Tyson (singular), Tysons (plural) or Tyson’s (possessive)?
quote: Martin Brooks
City Cinemas Gramercy
City Cinemas 86th Street Twin
Cineplex Odeon Chelsea Cinema 9
Cineplex Odeon Regency
Cineplex Odeon/Clearview 1st & 62nd 6
Cineplex Odeon Park & 86th St
Guild 50th Street
Cineplex Odeon Encore Worldwide 6
City Cinemas Sutton
While researching this project I concluded all of the venues you cited either weren’t open in 1985 or had 70mm equipment installed upon an ownership change after 1985 and so they’re ineligible for this particular listing. (I have them accounted for on other projects with a broader timeframe of study.)
quote: James Westbrook
TL;DR version: Mann Fox Theater and Noret Cinema West in 1985 had 70mm capability in Lubbock as well as Winchester Twin.
Added.
Was Cinema West in 1985 a single-screener or a twin?
quote: Don Furr
the Fiesta had a pair of DP70's. Those projectors were replaced in the early 70's with a single XL and a platter.
Deleted.
quote: Louis Bornwasser
Nashville's Belle Meade had the projectors left over from many years previous, did not have any processor, and indeed only Optical Mono worked. No lens, splicer, or 70mm capable platter.
I suspect you’re recalling a timeframe well beyond the 1985 timeframe of this project or are confusing it with another theater. (Belle Meade definitely ran 70mm throughout the 1980s, the last I’m aware of being the big late-80s “Lawrence of Arabia” re-release.)
quote: Mark Campbell
Was the Fairfax in LA ever 70MM equipped?
Yes, but the install occurred after 1985 and so it is ineligible for this particular listing.
quote: Steve Kraus
For Illinois, Plitt River Oaks (Calumet City) had 70mm both on the original D150 house and #2 across the street.
It’s present on the list as an 8-plex with an asterisk denoting 70mm on more than one screen. (Yes, I realize the screens were spread out among separate buildings. I tend to consider such cases one complex.)
quote: Steve Kraus
M&R River Run, Lansing, IL (later Loews) had 70mm on one screen. Not sure if it was ever used. Theatre was just across the creek behind original River Oaks building.
Ineligible. Venue opened after 1985. (70mm at River Run included “Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade,” “Lethal Weapon 2,” “Dick Tracy” and “Last Action Hero.”.)
quote: Mark Gulbrandsen
The Hinsdale Theater in Illinois was also 70mm equipped from about 1989 until it closed. Pair of DP-70's from a UA House in Milwaukee. The first 70mm run there was Short Cuts, I believe in 1991 as a First Run show. I do know they ran at least two other 70mm shows but it was after I moved to Utah.
Ineligible. Venue opened after 1985.
quote: Gordon McLeod
The varsity in toronto was built by NGC theatres as a twin from day one
The single-screen vs twin detail is actually in reference to the Varsity in Vancouver.
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