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Greg Anderson
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posted 06-04-2002 12:59 AM
I've never brought up the subject but, quite simply, I can't remember anyone on the set (including actors, writers, producers, cinematographers, etc.) talk about logos during the broadcasts. On the other hand, I've heard gaffers and cinematographers griping all the time about how the picture they saw in dailies was much better than what they received on the TV in their living rooms. I don't know who drops the ball but somewhere between the initial transfer and what the local station is showing, colors, contrast and other details come out differently. So... I would say that the little logo in the corner of the screen is nothing compared to the overall disappointment with the picture.
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Mark Ogden
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posted 06-04-2002 11:24 AM
It's not that a Super 16 to HD transfer looks bad of and by itself, but compared to a 35mm source element, it does not stack up nearly as well (an opinion, John, shared by your own Mr. Sparraza in a link above). The CBS philosophy was, "We're building a HiDef network feed, we're not going to do this half-assed, and if your show wants in, we want the best source element we can get". I saw both regular 16 and Super 16 footage of Touched By An Angel in an HD transfer performed by the Sony High Defination Center in Culver City. Compared to the 35mm footage, while not "night and day", it was certinly enough of a difference to take a stand over, which is what happened.I make no illusions about the continued viability of Touched By An Angel as a going entertainment concern, and I do not insinuate that switching to HDCam will "save" the show if viewer interest wanes (which is what happened to Diagnosis Murder). That is strictly a cost saving ploy on the part of the producers, while still providing the network with an acceptable HD source. Adam: 35mm theatrical prints of made-for-television material is a common occurence. HBO likes to present a lot of their stuff in cinemas during season premiere parites. They had a blow out at the Zeigfeld last year for Sex And The City, and they have run quite a few of their made-for-cable movies in theatres in the same fashion.
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John Pytlak
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posted 06-04-2002 11:59 AM
That CBS work is fairly old, and led to quite a bit of discussion, with many feeling that Super-16 IS a viable production medium for HD television when a lower cost alternative to 35mm production is needed._____________________________________________________________________ "HDTV/Film Investigation By Henry W. Mahler CBS will be employing the 1125-line, 60-field HDTV format for the FCC-approved advanced television transmission system. Although a great deal of source material for this programming already exists on 35mm film, some episodic television series are currently filmed using 16mm. In addition, Super 16, with its wider aspect ratio and increased image area, has been advanced as a suitable acquisition format for HDTV. To determine the capability of 16mm film for HDTV transfer, CBS analyzed, measured, and performed tests to compare the performance of both 16mm formats to 35mm and an HDTV television camera. Objective measurement data and subjective observations are presented in this paper. A contribution from Henry W. Mahler (paper no. 97-8), CBS Engineering, New York, NY 10019. Copyright © 1997 by the Society of Motion Picture and Television Engineers, Inc." _____________________________________________________________________ If Super-16 can be used for successful feature films on a big theatre screen (e.g., "Monsoon Wedding"), it certainly should be able to provide excellent image quality on a much smaller HD monitor in the home. Irregardless, I personally find the tonality and color rendering of color negative film to be preferable, even when viewed on television. ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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John Pytlak
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posted 06-04-2002 02:15 PM
I recall a recent SMPTE conference where Kodak showed a HD (Spirit Telecine) transfer of an old B&W Fred Astaire movie. IMHO, except for being B&W, that 60+ year old film had image quality that surpassed the best of live HD cameras being shown on the exhibit floor. Remember that when you enjoy a DVD of "Casablanca" or "Gone With the Wind", or better yet, see them again in a theatre.Many of the early video shows (unless they were kinescoped onto film)are lost: http://www.kodak.com/US/en/motion/story/fact2.shtml I haven't seen one yet, but I would venture to say that HD transfers of "I Love Lucy" are going to look darn good.  ------------------ John P. Pytlak, Senior Technical Specialist Worldwide Technical Services, Entertainment Imaging Research Labs, Building 69, Room 7525A Rochester, New York, 14650-1922 USA Tel: +1 585 477 5325 Cell: +1 585 781 4036 Fax: +1 585 722 7243 e-mail: john.pytlak@kodak.com Web site: http://www.kodak.com/go/motion
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